You're right Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I guess I feel like I have to show the rabid anti Semites here a serious side once in a while.
Well I've seen far worse then SAM, and she is the worse of her class left here, so I would not call them "rabid".
Dunno. They had this crazy idea that it was their religious homeland and stuff. I mean, if they had just given up or lost or abandoned it, then I guess that would prove that they'd really been treated OK all that time. You know, like how Native Americans were. They didn't go anywhere. OK, bad example. Uh...how about the Celts and the Saxons. No, no, same thing. The Huns and Eastern Europe? OK, not them. Uh...the Romans and the Gauls? :shrug: I don't think I'm helping your argument here. Geoff
all those groups stayed and fought for independence repeatly something the jews didn't. also those were being fought for as ethical homelands not religious homelands which is a big difference.
Israel is the ethnic home land of the Jews, they did fight, and for that, they were rounded up deported, against their will, rounded up, sold into slavery, and scattered across the Roman Empire. But there were still Jews in Israel, there have always been Jews in Israel, they didn't abandon their Home Land, those that could managed to stay. Israel יִשְרָאֵל, Yisra'el, is the Land of Jews, always.
You need to broaden you perspective. Religion, שְרָאֵל, Yisra'el, and the land of Israel are inseparable. Were do you think the idea of the Ummah comes from, Mohammad stole it from the Jews. The difference is that in Judaism, they don't consider any land that they have stood on part of שְרָאֵל, Yisra'el, the Muslems do, any land that a Mosque is established become part of the Ummah, and forever Muslem. The Qur'an, which provides the guidance, the sense of purpose and most importantly the theology of conquest, is the constitution of Islam. It is followed fastidiously and to the letter. Jihad, which is a "holy war" is advocated, and the truth is irrelevant to achieving the objective of Islamization of everyone on the planet. Jihad is central to Islam. And if they can't be conquered and converted they will be killed. Islam: What does it teach? What are Muslims taught to think? Would it not be useful to understand that in Islam, no Infidel state, whatever its dimensions, can be permitted, for that would violate the essence of Islam. Islam, said Muhammad, is to dominate and not to be dominated. No land once part of dar al-Islam can ever fall under Infidel control again. The whole world belongs to Allah, and to his people, the Believers, but pride of place must go to the territories once conquered by the forces of Islam. The land on which Israel now sits, and other lands, including the Balkans, much of south-central Europe, much of Russia, most of India, and of course Spain, were once all part of dar al-Islam, and must be returned to it. But Israel, an Infidel sovereign state run by the despised Jews, and sitting smack in the middle of dar al-Islam, is particularly disturbing. If it remains a sovereign state, not only is land once Muslim not yet regained (as the whole world will eventually be either regained, or gained, for Islam),
The left needs its Symbols, and the terrorists and their sympathizers need the left because of that need for Symbols.
Didn't the US refuse to sign the UN resolution on the rights of the indigenous people?:bugeye: Btw, according to Kings [6:1] "And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel had come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the Lord." the Jews did not always live in "Israel". Except Jews were all kicked out from Israel 2000 years ago. And Egypt 4500 years ago. And Europe in 1945. There goes your analogy.
Jews and Christians on average don't follow their holy books as furiously as Muslims do... but what does this have to do with Rachel Corrie?
You're kidding right? Jews have a homeland because God gave it to them and Christians are still enrolled in the Crusades.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Rachel Corrie is a victim of the apartheid that the Jewish state (which discriminates against non-Jews) actively carries out through its occupation of the land of native peoples, on the basis of a religious right [no pun intended] which allows Americans, Russians, Europeans, Africans and Asians a "God-given" right to Palestinian homes and fields simply because they are Jewish. She performed the criminal act of trying to stop them from bulldozing the home of a Palestinian, who was not Jewish. If he had been a Palestinian Jew or an American Jew or a Russian Jew instead, she would not have died.
I said on average, you missed that part didn't you? If Christians were still into the crusades like Muslims are into the Israel-Palestine issue then the whole of the middle east would be nothing but slightly radioactive glass by now cover with lead lined churchs! In short Jews and Christians do not declare holy war on the muslim, at least to nowhere near the same as muslims do on them. I agree on the nature of the apartheid, I'm glad your not calling it a genocide anymore Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! but if Rachel Corrie had been a Jew and protesting the way she was, she still would have been run over, even if she was wearing a star of david 3 feet wide it!
Gee, have you been paying attention over the last 60 years? Does "Islamic" terrorism and "demographic threat" ring a bell? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! But if the Palestinian had been a Jew would the house still have been bulldozed? Targeting an ethnicity/religious group/indigenous population is genocide. Thats not my definition. "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Prevention_and_Punishment_of_the_Crime_of_Genocide And yeah, if she had been a Jew [I thought she was???] she would still have been killed and put in a special bracket
Those don't equate to anything like "holy war". Point, but then she probably would not be a Palestinian then, or if she was a Jewish-Palestinian that did not side with Israel, her house would have been run over anyways. Well then Israel in the clear! Although you believe otherwise Israel is not intentionally trying to kill or destroy the Palestinians. I don't think she was killed intentionally, way would Israel want to kill a simply protester and get the negative attention it caused, the determents out way the benefits: she was killed simply because the bulldozer could not see her. As for linking to hate filled Jews, it not hard to link to hate filled Muslim either. Their a plenty of hate filled people on all sides.
if the situation was reversed, no doubt, you would change your mind rapidly. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Nope, it would not. Only Muslim, Christian and Druze Palestinians have their houses run over without compensation. If, for some political reason, Jews are moved around, they always receive a house in another part of Israel. Like in the pseudo-evacuation of Gaza. Snipers with children in their sights Human Rights Centre indicates Palestinian children face sexual abuse and other torture in prisons Statement from IDF soldiers: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/909589.html Israelis have been rewarded for killing Palestinian children. http://a-mother-from-gaza.blogspot.com/2006/03/child-killer-gets-compensation-parents.html Sure, just like these guys: Tom Hurndall - British ISM volunteer shot and killed in Gaza, Jan 13, 2004. James Miller - British film-maker shot and killed in Gaza, May 2, 2003. Brian Avery - US ISM volunteer shot and severely disfigured in Jenin, April 5, 2003. You know of a site by Muslims that keeps a link of all Muslims they hate?
Re: Post #242. That was fucking horrible! I can take most shit I see on the internet, but that was just horrible.