Pit Bulls Should Be Banned

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by valich, Dec 10, 2006.

  1. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

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    I stopped reading after this.. for a few reasons
    #1 pitbulls are great dogs, the OWNERS are the stupid fucks who raise/train them to fight.

    #2 the reason pitbulls get a bad wrap is their biteforce and fearsome nature IF RISEN in the manner to fight!

    #3 before you spout off about people injured ect ect.. if you look at the bite ratio from small dogs to big dogs small dogs win by a LARGE margin but they are small their bite cant do alot of dmg, again comes down to bite force

    #4 there is no bad dog there are bad owners
     
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  3. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

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    false they arent bred to be agressive they are raised... i have ran into 3000 small dogs that are mean as hell to 1 large dog.. and that being said i out of the big dogs i have ran into most were labs from the midwest..

    pitbulls get bad wrap because they are the dog of choice when some stupid@%% dip!%^^## wants to ruin a dogs life..

    as i have said before there are only bad owners how is it the dogs fault for biting someone if the owner raised it too do so? yet the dog takes teh fall the owner gets a slap on the wrist
     
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  5. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

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    i can raise a malteese to attack untill its uncapeable to anymore and that is a "useless" breed

    on the flipside i can raise a pitbull to run up to everyone it sees and lick them to death who wouldnt hurt a fly..

    Dont get it twised its the OWNERS not the DOGS
     
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  7. Grim_Reaper I Am Death Destroyer of Worlds Registered Senior Member

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    Ding ding ding we have a winner sorry Cath but this is what needs to happen not ban good dog parents from opportunity to raise a loving animal.
     
  8. christa Frankly, I don't give a dam! Valued Senior Member

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    i have been trying to tell them that for awhile now
     
  9. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    But seriously. One malteese doesn't make the whole breed bad, not to mention even with your genius training it won't kill anyone.

    Sure. Let's have them licenced, 3 months education and 50K bond to the city, just in case something happenes...
     
  10. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    By the way all these geniuses deffending pitbulls, here is a homework for you:

    Go to the nearest animal shelter and report back what % of the dogs are pitbulls or similar breed. Als make an educated guess why such a high %....
     
  11. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

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    to your last post because there are a bigger dog and they couldnt take care of them.. or they got them and decided they didnt want it anymore..

    your taking a person training a dog to do something.. which the dog doesnt know is wrong.. and ur punishing the dog.. or the breed in this situation.. how is that fair?

    i said malteese to make a point.. there are FAR more mean small dogs than big ones.. and i agree 100% they cant kill anyone.. you keep them that size and give the a 300lb bite force and well see what numbers spike.. again a mute point

    your still not seeing the picture here. the reason pitbulls are so vicious are 1 the stupid@%@%Y owners an point 2 when big dogs bite they inflict massive dmg.. when small dogs bite they inflict little or no dmg at all... again cuz after reading this thread you still dong get it

    DOGS dont know whats right and wrong.. so if the OWNER trians it to fight the dog thinks thats just normal.. again not the dogs fault.. you can train any dog to fight ppl pick pitbulls because of the strength and biteforce
     
  12. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

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    mute point go to a shelter yourself see what % of thoes dogs ar killers,, whats that? NONE you cant be serious... therefor your argument goes down the drain
     
  13. christa Frankly, I don't give a dam! Valued Senior Member

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    in BOTH shelters in my area, there are 3 pitts combined... there are more mutts, wolves, and rottys in our pounds... but we have ALOT more cats.. lol... around here, pits are loved.. the people who do own them have atleast 3 or 4.. I personally dont think they are ubber cute, so I wont own one. I wont own anything I dont think is cute.. haha
     
  14. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    i have a good friend whose two pit bulls killed each other in her living room, right in front of her eyes, and there wasn't a damn thing she or her husband could do to stop it. what a nightmare. *shudder*
     
  15. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    I NEVER make a moot point.

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    So why are pittbulls in such a high % in shelters? Inquiring minds want to know!!!
     
  16. sandman_5590 Registered Member

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    Wow, you just showed the entire internet how much of an idiot you are. Some years ago, I developed a curiosity in dog fighting. I aksed around to a bunch of people with pitbulls to finally spectate such a sport and do you know where I finally was able to see a pitbull fight? It was in the mountains of Arizona! And it was a bunch of rednecks in trailers fighing them. And they were fighting against other rednecks. Not one black guy involved. I made friends with these people (probably the only black friend they ever had), and they still fight their dogs to this day. Dogfighting originated with white people from england, came to america via white people, and continues today with white people. It's not a "black" problem. People of all races fight dogs, chickens, and even fish! It has nothing to do with race. Moron......... Everytime there's a discussion or debate about something, there's always a racist white prick to mess it up with ignorance. Take your hate somewhere else. I'm sure you wouldn't be so brave face to face with a black guy.
     
  17. sandman_5590 Registered Member

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    Well said. Thank you!
     
  18. jpappl Valued Senior Member

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    Excellents points.

    The bottom line is that the pit bull is being used because they are cheap, strong and trainable. They aim to please.

    I have owned 2 myself. I have also worked door to door sales for a few years in which I encountered all kinds of dogs. I would not enter a fenced yard with a Rott, Doberman, Shepard, Akita or any dog that showed signs of serious aggression.

    Of all the dogs, the pits were the most unique.

    They would either be aggressive at the gate, which was rare, or they would be freindly or they would hide and wait for you to get to the door and come running out behind the bushes, LOL. That is the truth.

    So they could be counted on in one respect but they were very smart. They are working dogs.

    If you remove the pits. Those who want to use dogs for fighting or gang activity etc will move on to another breed.

    The new breed will become the cheap, strong and trainable animal.
     
  19. SilentLi89 Registered Senior Member

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    I have a lab mix who is mean and nasty. The dog next door is a pit and my dog pushes him around all of the time. Any dog can be mean or timid, and they all can be trained to be killing machines.
     
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  20. faith76 Registered Member

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    I don't understand what the fuss is about. I was brought up in the country around farms where dogs were rarely ever leashed or chained up. I was rarely ever scared of a dog and I didn't even know what a breed was, other than a Chihuahua till I was in my late teens. Twenty years later I have lived all around the world and met many dogs of many breeds. I have met several pit bulls over the years and at one time fed into the propaganda that they were dangerous. I grew up, learned and saw for myself that a dog acts in accordance to how they are trained no matter what the breed. My semi absent grandfather had a Chihuahua that was one of the few dogs that ever frightened me, she would try to bite anyone that got near him and he taunted it to. I have found smaller dogs are more likely to bite than larger ones and even that has to do with what the owner has taught them. I now live with a pit bull and am happy to see others at the dog park and pet stores.

    My pit bull is the sweetest dog I have ever met. She is the only animal I have ever met that I can take something out of her mouth with no trouble at all. She releases the bone and looks at me like "why did you take that from me mom." Then she goes to do something else. She sleeps at night between me and my fiance underneath the covers. She has lots of allergies and I have to check her ears and face to clean her wounds from scratching and though she doesn't like it, she lets me. She greets me at the door everyday with love, licking my face. If I cry or get upset she comes to me, licks my face and sits on my lap to make me feel better. Every pit bull I have met has been the sweetest dog I have ever met. I am not stupid I know that there are pit bulls that are nasty and mean, but I am also aware that there are many other dogs out there that are nasty and mean. They are this way cause they have been taught to be this way. I have an Aussie mix as well and she is more liable to bite someone she finds a threat than my pit.

    People like Michael Vic who raise dogs to fight, could very well have raised any other bread to do the same thing. He tied them up just far enough away from one another to taunt each other. He used many methods to taunt and teach them to be malicious. Many of those dogs can never be released due to what he did to them, but then again look humans who were abuse in there young life. There are many people suffering from PPSD that have turned out well, from rehabilitation while others have ended up in a life of crime unable to get over what has happened to them. Any other animal will respond in the same manner to abuse. My Aussie was abused and if I barely raise my voice she runs to her cage house and lays down in fear. On another hand if a strange man comes near me or shows up unexpected she acts as though she might rip his head off, but once I show her its ok she stands back while my pit bull just wants to lick everyone. My pit bull came to us as a puppy so all she knows is us, while my Aussie was different, but my point here is how an abused animal can act. My Aussie gets upset but men in hats cause of who abused her, much like abused humans may act towards someone who looks like their abuser. I got lucky with my Aussie, she has learned that she is safe with us and obeys well. We even take her backpacking and she never leaves our side, even without a leash, the pit will run ahead a bit but never get out of sight or she comes back. Many people tell us that there is no way their dog would be that good in the woods. They know who loves and feeds them, thats why they act like they do.

    The problem is not breads, the problem as with many problems in this world is negative behaviour is contagious. No matter if it is toward humans or animals, if we mistreat others or animals they will most likely mistreat others. If we want our animals to change we need to change.
     
  21. faith76 Registered Member

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    This is not a pit bull issue, this has happened with other breeds. Your friends didn't train there dogs not to let playing turn into an all out death match.
     
  22. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    This is an old thread.
    Never mind. It has been back in the news in the UK recently.

    We have a law which bans certain breeds such as Pitbulls, and it is generally agreed that it has been a failure.
    If you breed a pitbull with another dog, is it still a pitbull?
    If someone has a perfectly harmless dog, should it be destroyed?
    The UK is looking for a new configuration of the law which is non breed-specific.
     
  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I have owned in my time two of the greatest breed of dogs there are [in my opinon anyway] They were Rottweilers.
    The second one I had was called Rocky and lived to the ripe old age of 13.5 years.
    I was once taking him for his morning walk in a park, when from out of no where two Pitt Bulls brushed by me and both latched onto his neck.
    I let go of the dog lead and tried my darndest to get both of them off my dog.....both were latched onto his neck, although he was still standing.
    I grabbed a beer bottle from a garbage bin and started to hit them with it...One let go while the other hung on...A garbage truck was nearby and the driver pulled up and threw me a shovel.....
    I used it on the one that still was latched onto Rocky's neck and end up killing it. The other one had disappeared by this stage.
    I took my dog to the vet, and 38 stitches were inserted into wounds in his neck...At the same time another person carried in a much smaller dog that had also been attacked by two pit bulls...It end up being put down

    Police and council were called and the owner of the dogs was traced. He was convicted and fined and banned from owning a dog again.

    Despite the above experience, I love all dogs and in nearly all cases of dog attacks, I see the problem with the owner.
    Some people simply should never own any dog or any other animal for that matter.
    Both the Rotty's I have owned were great mates and big sooks who would never have harmed anyone unless extremely provoked.

    I now have two miniature smoothed haired Dachsunds.
     

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