Piss Testing for Meth

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  1. dagr8n8 Registered Senior Member

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    Humm

    Well first off just because you use legal substances to make something illigla does not make the product legal, sudaphetrine is slightly different than methamphetamine (has an OH group). Second when they test for most drugs they are NOT testing for the actual drug but what the body produces in response to the drug, ie the product that comes out of the liver to process the substance. They can tell the concentration of drug and thus tell if you just were sitting around and people were smoking pot or you actually were

    -n8
     
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  3. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    but if you were sitting in a room with like 20 dopeheads and the smoke was enough to make you feel like puking? Wouldn't that mean you'd inhaled a significant amount of the drug?
     
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  5. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    so what are they testing for in a meth pis test/
     
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  7. John99 Banned Banned

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    Have fun beating a random. Even still that is not a good way to beat a piss test and they will assume masking and retest later. With random test.

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  8. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, they kinda notice pee that has no yellow to it at all.
     
  9. dagr8n8 Registered Senior Member

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    Orleander I am not exactly sure which one is tested for, or if it is anouther by product but this is informing
    "
    The major metabolic pathway for amphetamine involves
    deamination by cytochrome P450 to para-hydroxyamphetamine and
    phenylacetone; this latter compound is subsequently oxidised
    to benzoic acid and excreted as glucuronide or glycine
    (hippuric acid) conjugate. Smaller amounts of amphetamine are
    converted to norephedrine by oxidation. Hydroxylation
    produces an active metabolite, O-hyroxynorephedrine, which
    acts as a false neurotransmitter and may account for some
    drug effect, especially in chronic users (Dollery, 1991).
    "
    -http://www.intox.org/databank/documents/pharm/methampt/pim334.htm#SectionTitle:6.4%20%20Metabolism
    So Its probly one of these glucuronide or glycine (hippuric acid).

    -n8
     
  10. dagr8n8 Registered Senior Member

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    The color is not that important, its the concertration of excretions that are directly related to the amount of water drank. Creatine is one of the main things they test for when seeing if the urine is diluted (The name creatine can be used for a few different substances, so I am not sure which one it is)
     
  11. RubiksMaster Real eyes realize real lies Registered Senior Member

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    But if it's too diluted they will reject it, and make you do it again later.

    It's the metabolites, not the THC itself. That is somewhat unfair because it allows employers/schools/parents/etc to use against you something you did way in the past on your own time. (I choose not to smoke, but I think people should have the choice. On the other hand, I agree that an employer should be able to fire anyone for any reason).

    Was it enough to make you feel high? If so, that's enough to detect. You have to remember that there is a huge difference between being in a room with it and drawing in a lungfull straight from the pipe. Even if it seems like a thick smoke in the air, it's still much, much more diffused.

    If you don't smoke regularly (like no more than once every month or two), then even several full hits should be pretty much undetectable after 24-48 hours. If you smoke more than that, it can take 2 or 3 weeks. And if it really was just you being in the same room, it will probably be undetectable the very next day.
     
  12. 15ofthe19 35 year old virgin Registered Senior Member

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    If you mess around with meth, a drug test is the least of your problems.
     
  13. Dr Mabuse Percipient Thaumaturgist Registered Senior Member

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    lol...

    damn sound point that...

    how bout them VOLS?...

    dagr8n8 is right... the tests are for metabolites... not the drug itself... except, i think, in the case of fat soluble cannaboids... i think some tests done by the more advanced testing can direct test for those... companies rarely use advanced testing measures... some DOT related companies do...

    also a hair test is far more revealing... the things are pretty much BS invasions of personal liberty and privacy... not actual searches for drug use... or they would hair test...
     
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  14. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Then don't apply for the job. :shrug: I don't think McDonalds does a drug test.
    I know I don't want to work with an addict.
     
  15. Dr Mabuse Percipient Thaumaturgist Registered Senior Member

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    well i see with your mind set you're all set and ready for the new robot overlords... lol... or big brother... whichever comes first... or maybe those aliens from Carpenter's 'They Live'...

    but... if a company actually wanted to prevent your pristine, sober innocence from being corrupted by one of those filthy "addicts" (so many casual weed smokers are just that)... your place of work would utilize a hair test... they are FAR more effective at weeding (get it? play on words there? high level stuff) out the disgusting "addicts"...

    i'm not sure how you were able to miss, or misunderstand, such a simple point... i hope that clears it up...

    if a company isn't hair testing... they are pretty much making fairly empty gestures for show, like 'a drug free work place' crap on the company mission statement... and in your case, they are putting you in a situation where a filthy "addict" might be ready and waiting to pounce on you when you least expect it...

    i work for myself... i don't need a 'daddy' company to go make a job for me... i can make my own... but when i need an L or a Q for a gig... the requirements and scrutiny are far more vigorous than anything you will ever encounter...

    not sure someone with questionable reading comprehension skills should be so eager to throw around 'go get a job at McDonald's' aspersions btw...
     
  16. RubiksMaster Real eyes realize real lies Registered Senior Member

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    Part of it also is that a hair test is much more expensive, and they don't figure they need to go that far back in time.
     
  17. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    hello!!! I am one of those overlords! I have no problem with drug tests. Mainly cuz I don't wanna work with someone who has a drug problem.
     
  18. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    You're talking about a pretty sophisticated test. Many tests are simple strips that you dip in the urine and they change color if the drug is detected.

    I've heard that taking vitamins is helpful in beating a drug test. I know that taking large doses of B vitamins will turn your urine bright yellow. So this may be a way of masking the fact that the urine is dilute. At least masking it to visual inspection. Perhaps many facilities only test for the concentration of Creatine or whatever if the tester suspects the urine is dilute.
     
  19. John99 Banned Banned

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    There are a few different tests and depending on the job can be pretty sophisticated. Not to mention hair samples. But like somone said why bother beating a test for wmeth, that is the least of your problems. Unless it is for your probation officer.
     
  20. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    Nope, it didn't make me high, just made my throat horribly raw and made me feel really sick.
     
  21. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    The rationale behind drug testing is to persecute people who get high on illegal drugs. One would hope that the threshold for a positive test would be a concentration high enough to indicate that you got high, not that you just happened to be at a Phish concert while on vacation in Vancouver. Of course, betting on any rationality at all in the persecution of illegal drug users is a bad bet. They probably also want us to boycott Phish concerts to make illegal drug users feel ostracized.
    Duh. I still run into people in corporate HR offices who insist that the poppy seed-opium test link is an urban myth. And they call drug users "stupid"!
    Yes, pseudephedrine is one of the main ingredients in methamphetamine. Haven't you noticed that most stores keep it behind the counter now, so you can't buy more than one or two packs, or shoplift a purse full?
    It's inconceivable that somebody couldn't tell the difference between a poppy seed and a sesame seed. Even a Ferengi on his first trip to Earth who didn't know what they are would notice that they are quite different.
    Hair tests have had a high rate of false positives. Corporations got tired of the bad press and these days the only ones who use them are so ultra-right-wing or so in the pocket of the military that you couldn't stand to work there anyway.
    So you don't work with anybody who has a "drug problem" with the legal drugs that they pander to us? A Starbucks junkie who commits road rage two or three times a week and is an accident waiting to happen? A smoker who's exacerbating the greenhouse effect, jacking up your group insurance premium, and doing mediocre work while white-knuckling it from one outdoor break to another? An alcoholic who is indistinguishable from the rest of us during the day but stops at the bar on the first floor after work and drives home with a BAC of .25 every night?

    Drunk drivers kill about 55 Americans every day. Potheads, the primary target of drug testing, don't kill that many in five years, even if you normalize the statistics for the rates of use of the two drugs--which only differ by about one order of magnitude.
     
  22. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I said I don't want to. And who does? I've had co-workers show up drunk.
    If you want to work with someone strung out on drugs, good for you. If you want to compare it to coffee, go ahead. I'm not working with a meth head or a drunk. I'm not carrying someone's ass. I have a family I help support and I'm not going down in flames cuz they are too wasted to get their job done.
     
  23. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    I worked with lots of stoned potheads back in the day and A. Their work ranged from fine to outstanding and B. They were the least likely to cause "personnel problems." I worked with plenty of cokeheads and they were fine too. The "cocaine" they sell today is cut with amphetamine and the effect of the speed is far worse than the effect of the coke, both immediately and cumulatively. People who go out and casually get drunk at lunch are a disaster but real alcoholics maintain well. The absolute best boss I ever had was an alky, the most effective and well-liked manager in the department. A hundred years ago lots of people did the same thing with morphine and cocaine. Apparently adults really are capable of self-medicating, choosing the drug that provides a life with the least severe problems, at least in the short term. The government screws that up by arbitrarily increasing the severity of the consequences of some drugs over others. We can lose our jobs or go to prison for using many drugs that were used unremarkably for centuries and, are thereby encouraged to make do with alcohol, tobacco and caffeine. That doesn't work for all of us. The motto of the Nanny State government that we have the misfortune of living under is "One Size Fits All." That is a lie.
    Don't tritely dismiss my comparison of my experience with caffeine to others' experiences with coke, LSD and a host of other now-illegal drugs. It ruined my life. It's preposterous to suggest that caffeine is less dangerous than marijuana. Which one makes people worse drivers? The one driving in the right lane 10mph below the speed limit or the one in the left lane with one hand on the horn and the other giving the finger out the window?
    Stay out of California. You wouldn't last two days in the entertainment industry. Many of the most creative people are truly tortured souls and tortured souls need drugs.
     
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