# Pi

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by Pi-Sudoku, Aug 15, 2005.

1. ### Quantum QuackLife's a tease...Valued Senior Member

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Look just as a way of desrcription lets take the equation 5 * 5 = 5

1*1 =1
1*1 =1
1*1 =1
1*1 =1
1*1 =1
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5*5 =5
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Why is this not a valid equation?
seeing as the number 5 consists of 5 individual objects that are given the value of 1 each.

[ of course I know that typically 5*5= 25 ]

I am sure in the field of mathematics this is discussed and similar to the percieved mistake I made with 360/0=360

Surprisingly enough the above table is supporting this contention by JamesR:

Last edited: Aug 30, 2005

3. ### AerRegistered Senior Member

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That's what you believe

...I don't think it would be possible - call me closed minded

5. ### AerRegistered Senior Member

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Well this much is obvious by now. That is what makes reading a math textbook written by you all the more valuable. I predict ebay \$99,999,999 in no time, get writing.

If you had read any math textbook, you'd probably know by now that multiplication by 1 is the multiplicitive identity, which is similar to 0 for addition, adding 0 is the additive identity.

7. ### James RJust this guy, you know?Staff Member

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Aer:

Have you ever seen two beams of light pass straight through each other, undeflected?

How do you suppose the light does that? It is just luck that no two photons ever collide?

8. ### AerRegistered Senior Member

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OK, you want to go deeper, deeper in the pit we shall dig.

For a boson, there is nothing preventing one boson from invading the territory of another boson such as a repulsive force. Now, "particles" are typically thought of as point-like objects, but one thing QM tells us is that they really are not. The so-called "point" is really the repulsive net around whatever is inside. Whatever is inside does not occupy even a fraction of the total space. Now what is defined as inside and outside in this context is very vague since the repulsion force is a function of distance. However, let's get back to bosons, they do not create this repulsion and thus bosons are free to move in with other bosons. Now how much space does a boson take up? Does it even make sense to really say the take up space? Can you prove it? If you cannot, then how can you say two bosons occupy the exact same space?

I think I've rambled on for quite a bit, so I'll break and let you comment

9. ### Quantum QuackLife's a tease...Valued Senior Member

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Ha..... and you think I am crazy........

10. ### AerRegistered Senior Member

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Yes, I think you are nuts, crazy, a wacko, etc. Were you implying anything?

11. ### everneoRe-searcherRegistered Senior Member

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Flaming.. flaming, Nanny Jamesey, look here, look here..