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1. ### batmanRegistered Member

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Ugh. Same author, read the reviews!

That book is authored by the "cocreator" of Photo Reading, Paul Scheele (aka thief, see my earlier posting)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...85386/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_5_1/107-5189627-1290966

But the good news is that this 14.95 version of the snake oil is just as good a purchase! An excerpt from the reviews:

The entire PhotoReading step could probably be skipped with no effect whatsoever on the outcome - except that you would arrive there faster. The other four steps are sufficient for getting a vague idea of a book's content - and believe me, a vague idea is about all you'll ever get using this author's system. Study after study has shown that the faster you read, the less you'll comprehend.

After "prereading" and "skimming" and "visualizing" that and a few other paragraphs,

I comprehend this truth...

Questionable product
+ selfish product pusher
+ optimistic public
= frequent free market exploitation

However, new formula since 1994 (and especially recently)...

+ small percentage of Internet-savvy public
= likelihood that more people will be informed of the likely outcome of purchasing said product

So same old same old - BUYER BEWARE! Only the invention of the Internet, there is no more "ignorance" for an excuse!

Good luck people...

3. ### batmanRegistered Member

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Re: Ugh. Same author, read the reviews!

PS:
In case anyone has not visited page "2" of this thread, I am relisting my links I posted way back then...

(Referring to the original program that "Photo Reading" seems to have been "borrowed" from...)

5. ### all4oneRegistered Member

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An opinion from Germany

An opinion from Germany
Hey,

is anybody interested in one opinion from Germany ? No? Doesnt matter.

Some month ago I bought the book "PhotoReading " by Paul Scheele (15€ or 14 $). The book promised to read 25.000 (!) words per minute, but most the time he told you to visit some training college or to buy a video course. I dont belive that it is possible to read that fast. It might be that you can get the essence of a book very fast, but not by reading it. His concept consist of 5 steps. 1. first you have to get in the propper mood, ...its never bad for learning if you really concentrate on the topic you are studding. 2. You have to get a general idea. 3. Photoreading 4. Activate, (you should ask questions on the text) 5.Rapid reading (some kind of speed reading) So, Photoreading consists of 5 steps and only one of it is really photoreading. I think you can really get faster through your reading stuff by using the 4 other steps. But buy no way they are 250$ worth.

In general the book tells you:

Concentrate on you topic. Ask yourself what is necessary for you.
Get an overview of the book and look for the parts that you need.

thats all I wanted to say about it (I hope I haven`t made to many mistakes, sorry for that!)

all4one

7. ### zzzRegistered Member

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Want to know the scientific truth about the reading process and the credibility of speed reading courses?
Check in a library for a book by M. Carver Phd. about RAUDING.
Yes, spelled rauding. It is a term he made up to describe reading at a cruise speed at which we comprehend about 75% of the text.
I could order it from the CAL State LB library through the LA County library system.
It's the only text I read that had true scientific research conducted into the concept of reading speed.
I took two different speed reading courses before and asked and received a refund for both. Did not work for me. I could rush through text as they suggest but could get nothing out of it.
I heard the infomercial for Photo Reading and went ahead and ordered it. Still waiting to receive it.
I am only curious about what this guy has to say, that's all. They will end up refunding my money too.
M. Carver had it straight and correct, if you want to read some thing and realy understand and enjoy it you have to RAUD it. That is, reading it the way you read some thing with out paying attention to the speed but to the content of the text.
That is reading at between 100 and 300 words per minute for most of us.
I will come back to this bulletin board to tell all you curious minds about my review of Photo Reading.
Deal?

8. ### zzzRegistered Member

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Oops, I had Carver's name wrong. His name is Ronald P. Carver, not M. Carver as I posted previously.
Run a Google search on "rauding"; it will bring up a listing of his work and credentials.
I highly recommend reading (not Photo Reading) some of his work. It will teach you about reading and the reading process more than you ever thought there is to know.

9. ### RickॐValued Senior Member

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i am not very certain of this but i have heard about an experiment that was conducted in late 60s that i"d like to state:

OBJECT:
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To find out grasp of brain.

APPARATUS:
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Human guniea pig,newspaper page.

PROCEEDURE:
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A man was asked to read a small article in a newspaper and was asked to memorize it.he memorized it and then later on quoted every point with accuracy.however when asked about other articles,he was blank...

He then hypnotized and was asked to quote other articles and their content...he did it successfully...

this just shows how fast and how photographic our Sub-concious mind is...

bye!

10. ### spacebumRegistered Member

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I've been looking closely at photoreading and the infomercials etc, as well as checking out some of the other speed reading products on the market. Sounds like there's a lot to it. Some of the other ones such as Reading Genius (their name is their URL also) are more scientific and backed up by facts though.

Spacebum

11. ### zzzRegistered Member

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Interesting that you mentioned Reading Genius. I took this course 4 years ago.
The more interesting part is that I have just finished taking the Photo Reading course yesterday.
Readign Genius is no different than other speed reading courses that train you in moving your eyes faster down and across the page. Don't waste your time with it.
Photo Reading on the other hand introduces a different concept, that of reading with the "hole mind" i.e. , concious + other-than-concious mind (this is what Paul Scheele calls the subconcious mind).
It spends very little time with the mechanics of moving your eyes over a page.
The Photo Reading system is a combination of 5 steps.
Preparing mentaly, review the material to create initial familiarity and trigger questions, Photo Read i.e. read at an other-than-concious mind level. During this step no concious comprehension occurs. Next, you should activate with "super reading and dipping". This is going over the material once again at a fast rate, this time at a concious level, see where you feel like read more for better understanding (this is "dipping"). And last, if you still feel that you want to get more you should "rapid read", going over the book once more at a fast and even pace to pick up more comprehension. These last two steps is where Photo Reading bear resemblence to common speed reading courses.
Also, you can see that you are required to handle a book more than just once "reading it" as this course teaches you to.
The base concept behind this course is deffinitely a powerful one.
You should be so lucky to be able to master this way of reading.
I am impressed for the better (see my sceptic note posted previously in this discussion thread).
However, now that I have completed this course I still cannot race through books at 25,000 words per minute. I can Photo Read a book at 25,000 words per minute but can't show any thing at a concious level to acknowledge that I read this book.
This is the problem with Photo Reading. Having no immediate concious gratification, makes it problematic for an every day reading; at least to begin with. Additional practice may change that. Since I just finished this course I cannot tell whether it's for real or not.
I will keep on trying.

12. ### DanforthharrisRegistered Member

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Now here's my 2 cents on PhotoReading(which I havn't tried)..

Well, any other thoughts.

Last edited: Jan 24, 2002
13. ### OrbDemonRegistered Member

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I am also in the UK and have not seen the infomercial, but I did see the program that I think stuart from cornwall was refering to - the guy is called Derren Brown ( www.derrenbrown.co.uk ) - he was a magician, but had an interest in psychology and decided to use this, and his knowledge of the mind to amaze and entertain. He used to have a reconmended reading list on his site (mainly psychology text-books and such) but sadly no longer.

He explained how he had developed a photographic memory, as anyone supposedly can, and used it to 'photo read' books. He demonstrated this by memorising the Oxford English Dictionary (about 2000 pages) in 20 minutes, he then asked a volunteer from the British Library to randomly choose pages, then the collumn, then a certain number of words dow - and proceeded to recount the word and the definition. He then did it with other books (non dictionary). It seemed he did not 'know' all the info in the books, but could recall it at will from memory.

I think there may well be something in this, as photographic memories are undisputed, and if you could view the page as an image, I see no reason why it could not be recalled.

However, just because you can remember something, or have read it, does not mean that you understand it - there is more to understanding quantum mechanics than just reading a book about it. The spped at which you read does not dertermin your intelligence, and being abole to read fast in no way makes you a genius.

By the way, zzz - did you get your money back on the course?

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20. ### ReinsteinRegistered Senior Member

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Even if you retain most of the info. in a book from photoreading, i still don't think its very useful. Why? Because there is no possible way that the brain can analyze information that fast. So you can't actually be learning anything. There is a difference between retaining information and understanding something.

21. ### tosinRegistered Member

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down loaded some photoreading tapes on the web (i agree that the price is too high without proof)
at first was hard so i kind of gave up
but started a new j0b with loads of reaeding to be done {i,m in IT}
had to get beyond the speed reading that i am good at
i began to get better
cant read a page a second
but i am far enough to see that this is ultimateley possible
but this is a process not an event and will take time
at the moment i can get into state and as long as my eyes cover the whole
page i have confidence that my braiin absorbs it
and in IT u have to recall the data
i would seriously recommend it
u have to read much faster than u vocalise to get the full benefits
and u must not fight it
dont try and understand what u read until u get to the end of the page
u dont try and get nourishment from food while u eat
your body does that by itself

22. ### Ellimist"Nothing of consequence."Registered Senior Member

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...I have read the PhotoReading book by Scheele and listened to mp3s of the "paraliminal tapes"... it is pretty much unadulterated bullshit. It is very mystical and vague and convoluted and all other terms also involving shady. I have pretty much determined that it doesn't work.

There is another speed reading technique, which seems to work relatively well at least temporarily - Real EyeQ. I downloaded it and burned it on a cd and played the software. It forces your eyes to move faster and your brain CAN handle it... it also charts your reading speed... pretty cool... the charts seem a little skewed because the reading tests seem to change based on what level you are on... but it seems to work anyway... try it.

23. ### kaduseusmelencolia IRegistered Senior Member

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Most of the words in a text don't need to be learnt, alot of sentances don't contain much info.
However when you reach something that needs to be learnt your reading speed should be slowed so that you can comprehend it.

Photographic memories are for people with brain chemistry problems, the neuro transmitters stay at the junctions for alot longer than they should. They can 'photograph' something and reproduce it, but their brains are so screwed up they don't comprehend alot of things. Thats not to say they are freaks or unwanted.
Anyone can do a similar trick. Read this post 100 times, you will create a photograph of it. Don't photograph this post, learn something useful.

If you want to learn faster, learn to speed read a little bit, and learn to slow down when you want to remember something.
If you want to really remember something, read it again and again and again and again....
You can train yourself to get faster.

I always found that i got brain lock when learning the same subject for too long.
Try switching subjects when you feel you aren't getting somewhere and switch back only when your brain triggers a question.
I found having half a dozen books on different things quite fun, you do get a natural high reading too much information.
Your brain will trigger questions for days, you can always go back to your books.

I don't think spending \$250 dollars on an infomercial makes any sense.
Spend the money on those books you've been wanting to buy.
Learn everything.
Buy a 'little book of calm', just because.

Keith