Perfectly evil God

Discussion in 'Religion' started by James R, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Its a pity Jan wont just read the first page, clearly any inteligent person would realise its all made up.
    Maybe Jan knows its made up but has faith nevertheless.
    Arguing with Jan is like hitting yourself on the head with a hammer it feels so much better when you stop but you still feel dazed and confused.
    I would love to take Jan back in time and have my opposition try a cross examination, I bet they would give up and leave the business.
    I would love to hear Jan's reply to a judge when he demands Jan answer the question.

    Alex
     
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  3. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    He would just insist that he already answered the question or he would ask another question or answer another question.

    You hit it on the head with your other comment. Jan knows it's all made up but has faith anyway.
     
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  5. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    No. But the transcripts are there to read.

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  7. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Are they simply words to yo you, or do they mean something?

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  8. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Did he lodge it in his head?

    Hope the nails alright. It would be a shame to waste a perfectly good nail.

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  9. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    The words simply mean the author has made stuff up and had no idea about the events written about.
    It seems ironic that when a witness is asked to swear upon the bible that they will tell the truth they place their hand upon a book which clearly does not start with the truth.
    It is strange so many people can maintain their faith when they actually read the bible.
    I suppose that if you have been indoctrinated from childhood it destroys ones ability to think and analyze rationally and so you go thru life believing in made up stuff.
    Brain in a blender, a mind rendered incapable of accepting an obvious reality where Gods are recognised as myths from ancient times where superstition substituted for truth.
    One can understand how ignorant folk could be easily fooled but what excuse can a modern human offer to justify still believing in superstitions, how can a modern intelligent well informed human read the Bible and not conclude the obvious that it was made up by an uniformed human.
    The answer can be found by understanding that these poor folk have been robbed of the ability to think from an early age which is both sad and cruel.
    Jan may I ask how old were you when God came into your life?
    Alex
     
  10. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Really? That's what they mean to you.
    Do your words mean you have made stuff up?

    I can see you point of view.
    Don't worry about trying to learn anything outside of your perception.
    Ignorance can be blissful.

    Really?
    It must be nice to be able to just brush things aside because you simple can't get your head around them.

    I think that applies with any type of indoctrination. Don't you?

    ''Brain in a blender''?
    Ewwwwww!!!
    I'd sooner be a brain in a vat.

    I know!
    What are those people thinking?

    Those poor people.

    Of course you can.

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  11. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I have always been honest I certainly do not to make up anything certainly I would not make up any thing regarding creation because I don't know and it is easier, for me at least, to say I don't know.
    I was raised to place honesty above everything and it works for me.
    I don't Jan but I certainly enjoy learning how you approach things. You do things a little differently to me but that does not mean that I can't show you respect.
    I can't take advantage of you by providing a reply that must be on everyone else's lips so I will just say yes ignorance can be blissful.
    Jan I said it was strange I did not say I did not understand.
    Nevertheless I have to brush away my concerns about folk who can happily follow scriptures that are clearly made up and realise faith does not have to back down when confronted with facts.
    Yes I agree but there is something about indoctrinating children with religion that makes it worse than any other form that I can think of but only because it works unfairly with children but indoctrination has been used on adults in more harmful ways.
    I just think it is not fair to raise children to believe God is a given which presumably would be opposite to your view, maybe not, you can express your view if you wish.
    One can only wonder.
    It is nice you can show compassion Jan.
    Thank you Jan but I should not get so personal,that is information that you can present if you wish and I should not have asked.
    Alex
     
  12. Seaman Registered Member

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    I like discussions and I assume you are raising this point for purely philosophical reasons. Fine, but lets also admit that God is not evil and could not be so. He created a wonderful world for us and we should be grateful.
     
  13. river

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    The perfect evil god could never exist .

    Because this god would wipe out all life in the Universe . Which would Hence destroy this god .

    Perfect evil god depends on life to exist , ironically .

    Further , the perfect meek god would be to weak to survive .
     
  14. Michael 345 Next for NT Anzac Day 2018 Valued Senior Member

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    I have this from another forum but I have not checked the bible references and I have drastically reduced the post size

    The bible says again and again that atheists go to hell
    The bible also says atheists are atheist BECAUSE GOD WANTS THEM TO BE

    He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart
    John 12:40

    God sends them a powerful delusion
    Thessalonians 2:11–12

    Make the heart of this people calloused
    Isaiah 6:10

    In sum
    god makes it physically impossible for us to believe
    Then god demands that we do anyway
    Then god refuses to provide proof because if you have proof it's not really believing
    Then god punishes atheist for doing what he made atheist do by burning atheist in hell for eternity


    Please explain this
    wonderful world
    and why we
    should be grateful?

    Cheers

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  15. birch Valued Senior Member

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    a typical example of brainwashed mind. who says god can't be evil? actually according to you apparently. evil is evil, whether it's god or not.

    another absolutely nonsensical statement. yes, i can characterize god just as you characterized man or the devil. pay attention to the reverse: so man is man and the devil is the devil. it's just man's or the devil's actions. see how that works?

    ridiculous. all this statement means is you are excluding god from judgement or evaluation. that is actually a choice.

    you don't know this either.

    how do you know god is everything? how do you know or assume there is one god? how do you know there is a devil? you are extrapolating from the duality in this universe.

    your lack of conceptual thinking limits your ability to consider that there may be a god that is all good or completely evil. you assume blindly that what you experience here in the now is all there is. maybe a true god is totally good and you are being fooled under a lesser being that just has some power over this domain. there are any number of possibilities.

    consider the gnostics don't have the same view as you. your views stem from orthodox christianity.



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  16. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    My views stem from atheism.
     
  17. birch Valued Senior Member

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    that has nothing to do with the definition of evil. if it wiped out all life in a universe that is full of suffering, that's not anymore evil than a god that allows or even creates it.

    that would depend on the context. here, not likely. elsewhere, a meek god may if the parameters are in it's favor.
     
  18. birch Valued Senior Member

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    those views are definitely not atheistic. it's very obvious that it stems from religious conditioning, whether you realize it or not.
     
  19. Michael 345 Next for NT Anzac Day 2018 Valued Senior Member

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    In that case you give atheist a bad name

    Get thee begone and speak no more of that of which you know not

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  20. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Any views I spout regarding "God" are of course from religious conditioning since I, personally, don't think there is such a "thing" as "God".
     
  21. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    More like you are in denial of God?

    If I'm wrong please explain why you don't actually believe there is "such a thing as a God".

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  22. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I have no reason to believe in such a silly concept. Just because it's silly doesn't mean it's not true but without having any reason to think that it is, I live my life as is it isn't true. That's my response (and yours) to other such situations.

    I am in denial of ghosts?
     
  23. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    We've already been through this.

    To deny something, the something first has to be shown to exist. God hasn't been shown to exist.
     

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