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Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by sculptor, May 31, 2017.

  1. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I am sure there may be. They also suffer appalling pollution. And they make a hell of a lot of solar cells. So maybe they have put two and two together and realised it can be good business to get off reliance on fossil fuels as well as good domestic and international politics. And since they are, or are soon to be, the biggest and most energy-hungry economy on the planet, that has to be a good thing for us all.
     
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  3. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    It's official. The clown did it.
     
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  5. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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  7. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    It can be locked two ways . politically and environmental . Does the USA emits per capita per square mile less than Europe , so I would agree let Europe take care itself .
    Politically United Europe have a larger population than the USA, so they them contribute more funds than
    the USA. We should not sent our men and have base in Europe , were our men spent our dollars without much benefit for us.
     
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  8. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Without much benefit? How much trade would the US lose if Europe were invaded again?

    Here, let me find that for you:
    Exports to Europe, per year, 2016, approx. 270 Billion
    Imports: 416 Billion
     
  9. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    California, the largest state in terms of GDP, announced it will pursue implementing the Paris Accord independently. I expect it won't be the last state to do so. I expect other prosperous states will follow. And in matters like this the big states lead and the little states follow. States like Kansas, Nebraska. Montana, are ill prepared to act independently on something like this. There really isn't much heavy industry in those states. They just don't have the economic might to do so.
     
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  10. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    smog
    and the left cost
     
  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    California was rightwing until they actually had the experience of Reagan government - just as it was rightwing in the years leading to the Great Depression, and then voted more centrist until the memory wore off.

    Unlike Texas, they had no need - psychologically - to justify slavery, and once the gold ran out not enough mineral wealth to afflict them with the "oil curse" (that's when the Buried Treasure Fairy puts a spell on the governing officials that prevents them from thinking clearly). So they were capable of learning.

    The splitter in the US looks like water.
     
  12. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    I think the splitter will be about access to fresh covfefe.
     
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  13. geordief Registered Senior Member

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    Let's hope fore a splitnr in the sphictnr.
     
  14. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    And:
    The really entertaining thing about the responses to Trump's decision is:
    99.99% of the reactionaries have, most likely, not read the complete text of the Paris accord, nor the referenced documents mentioned therein.

    So.
    When does this cease being about climate and become a discussion about psychology?
     
  15. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly. This has been the story with environmental advances in the USA for years. The federal government does not really control the direction of travel. (This became apparent to me when I worked in the oil industry in Houston.)

    The other thing about all this is that Trump won't succeed in resurrecting the moribund coal industry by this. The US is awash in gas anyway, nowadays. There will be practically zero net jobs created by this.

    So, one way and another, this is a fairly empty and impotent gesture by Trump - except for one thing, which is the cutting off of the funding from the US to developing countries to encourage them to choose a low carbon path. That is a great pity.
     
  16. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    You hit the nail on the head. This is a show for about 50,000 coal miners who elected Trump.
     
  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    With Trump involved, as soon as Trump was involved.
     
  18. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    You think I need to have read the treaties of Rome and Maastricht, to form an opinion about membership of the EU?

    Don't be absurd.
     
  19. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    OK
    If
    you do not know the text of the accord.
    Then
    why do you care what Trump does with the "accord"?

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    It seems that one could well position one'self via knowledge or faith.
    Absent knowledge do we assume faith? Or is there a third path?
     
  20. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    You seem never to have heard of newspapers or the internet.
     
  21. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    LOL
     
  22. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Well, we do know quite a bit about what the Paris accord contains. Though perhaps not all, admittedly. If there is some aspect of it that everyone but Trump is overlooking, but which perfectly explains his stance, what is it? What clause does he find objectionable in particular?

    Let's by all means focus in on that and try to see where he is coming from and understand why he is in fact being reasonable. Any offers?
     
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