Parents Charged for Facilitating Mass Shooting

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  1. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Per the Daily Beast↱:

    On the morning of the shooting on Tuesday, a teacher was "alarmed" at a drawing made by Ethan. It included a handgun with the text, "the thoughts won't stop. Help me," and a bullet with the words, "blood everywhere." There were also some laughing emojis, a person who'd been shot, and the words, "my life is useless," and "the world is dead," McDonald said.

    The drawing prompted staff to remove Ethan from class, and his parents were called into the school. James and Jennifer were shown the drawing and told they had to "get their son into counseling within 48 hours."

    "Both James and Jennifer Crumbley failed to ask their son if he had his gun with him or where his gun was located and failed to inspect his backpack," McDonald said.

    They resisted taking Ethan home with them and left the school soon after, she said. Ethan returned to class with the handgun in his backpack.

    That would be the handgun they had bought him days before. Ethan showed off his "new beauty", an early Christmas present, on Instagram. On her own IG feed, Jennifer Crumbley posted a photo from the shooting range, declaring, "Mom & son day testing out his new Xmas present." And on Monday, when a teacher discovered Ethan looking up ammunition on his phone during class, school administrators were unable to reach Jennifer directly, but she did text her son to let her know she wasn't angry about the incident: "You hae to learn not to get caught," she told him.

    Now, charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, parents James and Jennifer Crumbley are missing. Attorney Shannon Smith says her clients are not running away, but, rather, left town for their own safety after their son shot up a school.

    As news alerts went out about an active shooter at the school, James Crumbley "went straight to his home to look for his gun," McDonald said. Jennifer Crumbley texted her son, "Ethan, don't do it."

    James then called 911 to report that his gun was missing and that "his son could be the shooter," McDonald said.

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    It was interesting, watching the social media scandalizing break immediately after the shooting, and somewhere in it all came an explicit reminder to disregard social media rumormongering and scandalizing. This is always an important reminder, but as it was, some of the most spectacular chatter turned out to be true.

    And there really is a lot in it; early chatter about the 2016 blog post seemed an inviting bauble of provocateurish disinformation, but turned out to be kind of important.

    The day after James Crumbley bought the weapon, a woman in Florida filed a complaint against him for thousands in unpaid child support, according to court records reviewed by The Daily Beast. Money has apparently been an issue in the Crumbley household for several years. Shortly after the 2016 election, Jennifer Crumbley posted a missive to Donald Trump in which she claimed she was skipping car insurance payments to hire a tutor for Ethan, blaming the "common core" curriculum mandated in schools. She seethed in the letter about schools where the "kids come from illegal immigrant parents" and "don't care about learning."

    "As a female and a Realtor, thank you for allowing my right to bear arms," Jennifer Crumbley wrote. "Allowing me to be protected if I show a home to someone with bad intentions. Thank you for respecting that Amendment."

    For his part, James Crumbley thinks his wife can be "spot on", sometimes. More than the scandalizing itself, there is in it all a collection of what should be motley scraps, the sorts of things that, taken by themselves, weren't supposed to be signs of anything they keep showing up in. It isn't quite that we didn't have a cow, man, so now we gotta have a funeral, but here we are, and the sense that things aren't supposed to be so blatant is a thundering sort of awestruck silence.

    To say this can't be real would be the easiest of lies. Ethan Crumbley faces one terrorism charge, four counts first-degree murder, seven counts assault with intent, and twelve firearms charges. James and Jennifer Crumbley are charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter.

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    The dead are Hana St. Juliana, 14; Tate Myre, 16; Madisyn Baldwin, 17; Justin Shilling, 17.
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    Notes:

    Rohrlich, Justin and Pilar Melendez. "Teen Gunman's Parents Vanish After Being Charged for Chilling Behavior". The Daily Beast. 3 December 2021. TheDailyBeast.com. 3 December 2021. https://bit.ly/2ZSMvLF
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    They will either end up in jail, or as the new heroes of the right wing and potential governors of Texas.

    Perhaps both.
     
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  5. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    more blood spilled as a sacrifice at the alter of the cult of the gun
     
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  7. Bells Staff Member

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    Mmmm hmmm

    But in another twist, two attorneys who say they represent the couple released a statement saying the Crumbleys had left town for their safety and are returning for an arraignment.
    "On Thursday night we contacted the Oakland County prosecutor to discuss this matter and to advise her that James and Jennifer Crumbley would be turning themselves in to be arraigned," the statement from attorneys Shannon Smith and Mariell Lehman said. "Instead of communicating with us, the prosecutor held a press conference to announce charges."
    The statement added: "They are not fleeing from law enforcement despite recent comments in media reports."
    A law enforcement official told CNN the parents withdrew $4,000 from an ATM in Rochester Hills, Michigan, on Friday. Rochester Hills is about 10 to 15 miles from Oxford.

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    Law enforcement had been able to track the couple's whereabouts by cell phone pings but can no longer do so as the couple's cell phones are turned off, the official said.
    The source did not specify when the phones were turned off.
    Prosecutors were worried about the couple evading law enforcement because they didn't have ties to their community, and officials had trouble locating the Crumbley couple once their son was being arraigned, the source added.
    The parents' arraignment had been scheduled for late Friday afternoon. But as of Friday evening, the parents were still missing, according to the Oakland County Sheriff's Office in Michigan.
    Undersheriff Michael McCabe told CNN a sergeant with the county's fugitive task force had spoken with one of the attorneys, who said she had not talked with the parents.

    [https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/03/...l-shooting-superintendent-message/index.html]

    The attorney is still unable to reach the parents.

    The fact their first response when they heard there was an active shooter at their son's school was to immediately figure out it was probably their son, means they knew something was horrendously wrong and they had not cared. The mother's text is telling. If I get a message or the news reports of an active shooter in my kid's school, the first thing I'd be texting the moment my by then shaking hands would allow me to text would be 'I love you, please be safe. Hide!'. She sends him a text telling him not to do it.

    Whatever they are being charged with, one should keep in mind that their son is currently in prison, charged with adult offenses.

    Any normal parent would be doing everything they could to be there for their son. Clearly the boy has some mental issues, since his behaviour leading up to this pointed to something being severely wrong. The parents, in this instance, after supplying their son with the firearm, teaching him how to shoot it, telling him to not get caught when he looks up bullets at school, max out their withdrawal at their bank and skip town, for their safety...
     
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  8. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    There persists a viable question about how much attention to give people going out of their way to behave deplorably in order to get attention.

    The incels watching the story unfold in the media hailed the alleged shooter as a new incel "saint," agreeing that despite his relatively small "body count" Crumbley had chosen his targets well.

    "Despite only firing 15 shots from a handgun, he managed to chose some good victims," wrote someone called Bleach on the Black Pill Club forums.

    A football chad, and 2 good looking femoids. OH and ontop of that he injured 8, he made almost every bullet count.

    There was some dispute over whether or not the female victims were quite hot enough to be Staceys, but the Black Pill Club commenters agreed that they (and the young men who were also shot and killed) were despicable people who "have good deserved their end," in the somewhat garbled English of someone called pariah anti hipocrisy. "Hail to the new hERo!!!!"

    The capitalized "ER" is a reference to Elliot Rodger, the infamous incel martyr who killed six in Isla Vista California in 2014. This is indeed high praise, coming from an incel.


    (Futrelle↱)

    If we start with the question of whether or not the Oxford, Michigan school shooter was actually an incel, it also seems worth observing that it doesn't necessarily matter to other incels. One comment through an Icelandic incel forum described the murders as "unbelievably based" for having targeted "the three most hated archetypes in inceldom". And as the angrypills speculated at the sins of the dead "so we can shit on them", some were so ecstatic they did not even seem to know who they were talking about, at one point hailing the shooter's father as a saint, repeating the morbid adoration in declaring that the "youngER" the shooter, the "bettER". And while we can even find a Nazi sympathizer to argue "that society forced" various shooters to commit their crimes, we must in fairness note, #NotAllIncels; it's one thing to make every bullet count, as such, but the counterpoint runs, "Wake me up when there is a shooting with a death toll over 10."

    While it really is easier to wonder if other factors might have driven the Michigan shooter to his crimes, or any number of other, seemingly more important questions, there is also some value in observing this latest ejaculation of typal incelery, largely because history suggests it unwise to simply ignore this stuff. We might recall a story↗ about incels making a lot of threatening noise when they were upset that people weren't paying enough attention to them, and then when law enforcement paid attention and actually released an advisory bulletin about hearing that much terroristic chatter, the incels felt persecuted. Perhaps the nexus of red flags, blaming society, and the easy sympathy in adopting this murderous saint just feel too obvious. It's best to hope for mystery, we probably won't know what that coincidence of factors really means without additional atrocities to define it.

    The idea of familiarity is alarming enough. The prospect of new and innovative ways to feel familiar is just a little worrisome.
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    Notes:

    Futrelle, David. "Some incels are hailing the Oxford High School shooter as the new Elliot Rodger". We Hunted the Mammoth. 3 December 2021. WeHuntedTheMammoth.com. 4 December 2021. https://bit.ly/2ZSTR1H
     
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  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Right. It's quite common for people to drain their bank accounts, turn their phones off so they can't be tracked and then hole up in an abandoned warehouse. People do it every weekend, for fun. It's a thing!

    (Would hate to be their lawyers now.)
     
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  10. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    looking at pictures of the victims
    they look like the schools most popular students ?
    is that correct ?

    2 couples
    boy girl
    boy girl
    football heroes etc etc
    upper class in crowd ?

    any talk of bullying ?

    im quite interested to know if there was bullying by the shooting victims of the shooter
    or bullying by the same group of friends as the 4 victims

    the pictures of the shooter also show he is fat
    he has that balloon fat look like e is on some type of drug like steroids
    or some type of massively bad diet

    would be interesting to see if the shooter was on any medication
    &/or if he was on a diet of complete shit filled to his back teeth by chemicals & salts altering his blood & brain physiology

    im curious about how far the parents cultured any anti social anti in crowd type thinking

    i get a feeling the shooter was dressed up to live the part of he victim
    a victim they created to be able o give the power of the gun to
    so they own the ability to hand power to effect change
    to validate their ideologies & values of supposed liberalism which is just more soo power addiction & obsession

    i think the parents may have right to be scared
    but you would think they would be supporting their son
    it looks in the same vein as anti society type thinking
    which is very much right wing stuff
     
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  11. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    who pays their lawyers ?
    & who chooses how much per hour the lawyers get paid ? & paid by who ?

    is it all user pays ?
    or all fake & scams
    its 1 big screwed up mess labeled falsely as liberty & freedom

    the defense attorney will get millions of free media exposure
    which is irony considering the reality
    but its all about the money right

    fyi
    i imagine it would be very emotionally difficult being a lawyer dealing with all that terrible stuff
    must be quite difficult
    assuming your smart & lucky enough to work your way to that level

    its not money for nothing but many people like to pretend it is & then bag lawyers as if they are scam artists
    when it is the lawyers who define their very system of law civility freedoms & liberty.
    (ive watched A grade legal students work their way through law school, its 99% study & hard work 1% for everything else)

    layer cake of irony
     
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  12. Bells Staff Member

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    How people choose to spend their time...

    Lawyers are probably drawing straws now.
     
  13. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    dirty business seeing grown ups trying to turn a twisted child into an adult just so they can string them up from a tree

    more so when they keep the legal age limit at 21
    & demand 15 year olds to be accountable as adults for crime

    this type of legal president is well over due

    i hope it defines the nature of morality & law rather than fuels just another litigious witch hunt for cash
     

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