Palestinian PM: We'll form de facto state by 2011

Discussion in 'World Events' started by S.A.M., Aug 25, 2009.

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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I think the Palestinians want the world to recognise their pain and so this time around they will not force anything. Just listen to the reports coming out of Bilin. Inspite of the kidnapping of Mohammed Khatib the leader of the nonviolent resistance movement by Israelis, they are sticking to their determination to keep the movement going.

    http://palsolidarity.org/2009/08/7982
     
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  3. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    Reality

    Yeah it was so barren the land produced enough food to export to southern france to prevent a famine and this was 150 year before the jews were anything but a blip. that just propaganda that you have been taught to repeat.
    What about the jewish terrorists. and the british helped the jews dick over the arabs.

    God what a bigot you are. Nothing fake about the palestinians. and the palestinians wanted a country.
    In a place where they were in no place a majority. They wanted to strip people of their rights for their wants.
    So doesn't mean they had a right to steal from the palestinians.
    through conquest.
    They didn't build shit. They just took what others had done in the region.
    Kind of hard to build a state when assholes keep destroying your infastructure. and they have repeatedly tried to create a state but were prevented by others.
    No they don't. Their only beef with the jews is they stole their country from them.
    Yes they do its hard to have a functioning country when a agressive racist country of assholes prevents you from growing politically and economically.

    Most palestinians want a state. Quit believing the bigoted shit your jewish leaders are shoving down your throat and go learn the truth.
     
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  5. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    They won't have any luck forming a state until Fatah and Hamas can get along.
     
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  7. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    once they get the west bank going so long if Israel doesn't try and destroy it( which isn't likely) it will cause the problems to go away. once they unify they can than work and gaining what Israel took from them by appealing to the international community.
     
  8. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Once they unify...

    If they unify.
     
  9. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    They will. They have a common purpose.
     
  10. CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    Despite all the banter and poorly lettered comments in this thread, I still think this is a progressive step in the peace process. The more Palestinian citizens have to lose Economically, and foremost Socially...the more discouraging it will be for them to engage in terrorist activities, inherently strengthening the peace process.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I hope you're right. But Israel controls West Bank aquifers and also the natural gas reserves off Gaza. I don't think it will be easy to get them to give up either.
     
  12. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    Do you really think Israel is just going to allow something to happen that would lay 60 years worth of propaganda bare for what it is? There is going to be a war over this to many people have to much to gain by it not being allowed to succeed.
     
  13. CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    Yes. Because Israel gets no benefit out of Palestinian poverty.
     
  14. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    Isreal wants the land the settlements prove that. The Israeli right can not afford to have the Israeli population look at arabs as anything less than the enemy. Than you have the extremists in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and other places who would lose their scape goat in Israel if the palestinians get a country and peace comes about as well as peaceful means to have the palestinians regain what was taken from them.
     
  15. CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    Religious Zionists create the settlements, they don't control state policy. The state as a whole has very little to gain, from the perspective of the government this is a very positive situation. Saudi Arabia currently has lifted most of its bans on Israel and does very little to interfere in Israeli affairs. Iran perhaps has some stake, though the rest of the region would be displeased with anyone who destroyed any semblance of peace in the region.

    If they find financial backing for infrastructure, this is a very effective technique.
     
  16. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    The Israeli right still has a stake and still wants the land if they didn't they would send the IDF to protect them.
    Peace favors the Israeli left the Israeli right is not going to want to lose power and you cannot deny it relies on a far more hawkish and negative view of arabs and the palestinians.
    still ruled by an autocrats. a secular republic which is what the palestinian state would likely be would prosper which could likely set off secular revolutions in multiple states like Iran and turkey and pushes for reform toward secular republics in others. The ruling autocrats aren't going to like that.

    They'll get it. Its to golden of a chance for them not. the US, Europe, and the Israeli left will see to it
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    The PA has already offered Palestinian citizenship to the settlers, I think that is reasonable no sense in making another 500,000 people homeless. And Jews should be allowed to live in Palestine too.

    A secular Palestine would be more likely to stabilise the region than a Judenrein one.
     
  18. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    The jokers in the Deck are still Hamas and Fatah, and the leadership and their greed.
     
  19. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    The deck is stacked in more ways than that. If a hobbled Palestinian state created, its attempts to stand will still provide the customary pretext for continued Israeli domination, and for the perpetuation of apartheid within an "accomodated" Israel. In other words: Nothing will change with "sovereign" Palestinian cantons, and the fighting will grind on.

    I don't place any hope in Fayyad's proclamation, because I see Israel & Palestine as inextricably intertwined peoples, that must learn to live together within one country, as in any other modern multi-ethnic society.
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    This is what the Palestinians have to contend with in their struggle for independence from the Zionist occupation:

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1110506.html

    It really does not matter how much aid is poured into Palestinian state building as long as the Zionists have their fingers around the throat of the Palestinians, choking them to death.
     
  21. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Of course. "Collateral Damage" from a few air raids might just reduce his infrastructure, like so much of Palestinian Infrastructure.
     
  22. w1z4rd Valued Senior Member

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    Im all for the first ever state of Palestine. A new country would be great.

    Now if Hamas and Fatah can stop killing each other and form a government of national unity then that would be really fantastic.

    Are Palestinians pshycologically read for their first ever country? Im not sure... I hope they are.
     
  23. otheadp Banned Banned

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    This "building a state" business is supposed to come together with "recognizing Israel" and "renouncing terrorism and murder" business.
     
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