Paedophiles - where do they come from?

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  1. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    What's interesting are his concerns. Its like he admits he didn't know who he was and is questioning what his life would have been if he hadn't entered into this affair. You see no matter his feelings for her he was too young to foresee the consequences, the life changing consequences.
     
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  3. scott3x Banned Banned

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    Sure they can. At times, they can't legally consent, but that's another matter.


    Again I answer:
    I believe it depends on a few things; informed consent, the law (this is where the 'legal informed consent' bit comes in), societal mores and the particulars of the case.


    Yep.


    Indeed. However, I -do- know about the law at this point in time and I frequently factor it into my responses.


    Vili was only 13, I think he'd be a good candidate to ask that question to.


    Yes, I did.


    No, that would only be the type of answer that you're looking for. My answer was, in my view, better then either of the above answers.


    I would argue that what I've done is provide a more truthful answer then either of the options you provided.


    I am relatively confident of my beliefs, to be sure, but I think you are under false impressions concerning some of them.


    I would argue that I certainly exhibit that.


    I would argue that in actually, it's more that you simply don't know how to interpret my answers at times.


    Hm. Maybe I understand where your confusion lies. You seem to think that I am isolated from societal mores and laws. Rest assured that I am not.
     
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  5. Bells Staff Member

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    And he had no choice. No 'out' so to speak. By the time she was jailed, he was a father, so any choice was ripped from him.
     
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  7. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    With a 22 year difference and a youth that's gone down the drain and all this adult responsibility he's saddled down with there must be some regret. One day he will still be in his prime and she will be a menopausel woman.
     
  8. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    If you want this discussion, stick to the topic. The topic is not arguing the law on paedophilia, it's merely asking "Where do they come from?" All this off topic chatter should really be deleted considering the previous locked threads on the subject.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Scott is now officially flagged as one.
     
  9. scott3x Banned Banned

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    How do people become mature?


    A half victory is still a victory. But I think that adult/minor sexual interactions will be more accepted in the future as well.


    People don't have a problem with parents and teachers teaching children other things. Why should sexuality be so different?


    I can.
     
  10. scott3x Banned Banned

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    Mm. This to me suggests 2 options:
    1- People stick to the 'where do pedophiles come from?' topic, which I think died a long time ago.

    2- People create a new thread with subjects we're currently talking about; the last time I tried that, it was closed before anyone got a post in, so I won't be trying that anytime soon.

    Otherwise, I guess the discussion, on my part, ends here. Unless someone wants me to respond to their posts via PM.
     
  11. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously Scott I really don't think people want to discuss the topic, they just want to work out if you are paedophile or not.

    It's just they are ooh so polite and not ask you directly. I know that you might say you can't stereotype someone on their opinion but the fact is if you swim in a cesspool, you aren't exactly going to come out stinking of roses.

    The Discussion you want is deader than a Dodo. There is nothing to discuss in regards to the rules or laws in regards to it, they are preset, define and non-negotiable. Bitch about the law all you like, but thats the way it is and I'm glad it's the way it stays. (In fact they should really increase the Age that person is classed a minor. Only in certain cases where kids have killed did they ever get brought closer to adult status so they could be trialed as an adult.)
     
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  12. takandjive Killer Queen Registered Senior Member

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    Uh, no. You answer the questions, not my answers to the questions. Oh, Scott, you're not helping your case.
     
  13. takandjive Killer Queen Registered Senior Member

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    Okay, Stryder. I think Lucy has a point. I think that Lucy, like myself, finds the implied concept that a CHILD can make the adult a pedophile kind of interesting. I'd really like explained to me, verrrrrrrrrrrrry clearly.
     
  14. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Because if scott3x says what he honestly believes he could potentially get into trouble with the law, or at least have the law start to take more of an interest in his activities.

    That's what has always struck me about her, too.

    I think that in some cases, pedophiles can be immature. They've never grown up emotionally since they hit puberty, and they seem stuck at that level of sexual maturity too. Obviously, this is not true for all pedophiles, especially the ones who deliberate set out to victimise children.
     
  15. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    And here I was thinking that pedophiles into teenagers simply had a stronger sense of human survival...

    You know. Breed young. Die fast ?.
     
  16. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Takandjive,

    There is of course rare instances where a Child can lie about their age, however the "adult" should know better. They should have a "Buffer" in regards to what age range they are prepared to interact with sexually, namely if someone looks 16, then don't chance it. If someone looks 21 at least you know there is a likelihood they are going to be over 18.

    I point this out because the excuse that someone went with what claimed to be a 16 year old to find out they were 13 is not even a remotely feasible accident.
     
  17. Bells Staff Member

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    And yet, the greater majority agree that to have sex with a 12 year old boy when you are the age of 34 is immoral. It was also a legal crime, as a teacher, she would have known that it was not only illegal but also unethical to have sex with her 12 year old student.

    Have you seen interviews with her? The woman is distinctly immature and appears lost half the time. As though she can't tell if she is her age or that of her lover's age. She was a grown woman, married with 4 children. She was a teacher and supposedly working as a mentor to the boy and she abused that position and the law when she gave in to a boy's crush and had sex with him. The woman wouldn't know responsibility if it came and bit her on the arse.

    After it became known that she was having a sexual affair with a 12 year old boy and subsequently fell pregnant with said 12 year old boy. She had a son about the same age as her lover. I'd have moved away and obtained sole custody of my children as well if I were him.

    Up until that point, she was married with 4 children. She was married with 4 children when she began the affair with the child.

    I do not believe that paedophiles should financially profit from their crimes.

    I am strange that way.

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    She did what felt good to her at the time. She didn't care about her husband or her children or her student to not act upon her sexual desires.

    She was responsible for her own actions. She willingly and knowingly broke the law and had sex with a minor, knowing, not once, but twice, that she would be jailed for it. She did it anyway.

    Scott. He was 12 years of age. Raging hormones. He got to have sex. It was her responsibility to respect her position and not give in to having sex with a child.

    Arbitrary criteria? Lets just say that tomorrow my son comes to me and tells me that he's selling drugs to other children because not only does it make them feel good, he is benefiting from it because he is gaining financially from it. He disagrees that it should be taboo, therefore, he should be allowed to continue selling drugs.. And what example would society set by taking him away from his customers who were enjoying the drugs he was selling because of a "arbitrary criteria"? After all, it is a known fact that drugs harm people, just as adults sexually abusing children is harmful to the child. Do you get where I am going here?..

    Oh. They fell in love. But that love was forced. He has no choice now, neither does she. She gave him no choice when she first slept with him and fell pregnant when he was 12 years of age. His future role became set when that happened.

    Society doesn't teach children that sex is bad. What is "bad" is when a grown adult lusts and pines for children and views them as sexual objects and then acts on it. Or maybe you can't tell the difference between that distinction?

    Watch the video. They know that their mother was their father's teacher. They do not know that their father was only 12 years of age at the time. I feel sorry for those girl's. I feel sorry for when they do find out.

    When you break the law, you go to jail. She broke the law and went to jail. She was then set free and told to stay away from him.. Within a few days, they were caught having sex in a car.. so she was sent back to jail to serve the rest of her sentence. She could have been around to care for her children, but she chose not to.
     
  18. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Scott: Sure they can. At times, they can't legally consent, but that's another matter.

    So a 12 year old or a 10 year old knows what they are doing and the consequences of their actions. They're sophisticated and savvy. I accept your answer that you believe they can consent, that means I believe you believe they have consent.

    Scott: I believe it depends on a few things; informed consent, the law (this is where the 'legal informed consent' bit comes in), societal mores and the particulars of the case.

    so you only have the opinion of the majority? You only hold the opinion of the the law and society? You don't hold your own independed opinion. That's not what you were saying before about your independence from society held beliefs. I will accept that you cannot simply give me an answer because its not safe for you to answer the question directly. I understand. One must always be mindful of the law. I take it then that the answer is yes. And that no you are not a maverick.

    Scott: Vili was only 13, I think he'd be a good candidate to ask that question to.

    I am not asking Vili. You're a trip! At one point you are so hip and independent, not running with the herd and all that and then one simple question is asked and you're like 'ask vili'. Children do that too when they cannot take responsiblity for actions, thoughts and beliefs.

    Scott: No, that would only be the type of answer that you're looking for. My answer was, in my view, better then either of the above answers.


    If you think this mumbling obfuscated mess below is an answer then indeed I hope you never end up in court, better yet if you do lie, which in your case would be the answer no.

    "Adult male engaging in a sexual activity with a young female or male present certain issues that aren't present with an adult female and a young male or female. The issue has to do with a certain body part of an adult male has that adult females don't have. "

    Scott:Hm. Maybe I understand where your confusion lies. You seem to think that I am isolated from societal mores and laws. Rest assured that I am not.

    You still don't get it I am not referring to or asking about society's mores, or taking into account society or its mores. I wanted YOUR personal answer, your opinion. Most people given those questions could have simply answered them without having to consider society and its mores.

    I knew this guy in Phnom Penh who was an English teacher, an american guy, may he rest in peace he died not too long ago. Anyway one evening we were at a cafe and for some reason we got into an argument on this very subject. We got into an argument because he said 'If one of my friends showed up with a 12 year old as his girlfriend he wouldn't think there was anything wrong'. Now we didn't convince each other of the opposite opinion but what I must give him credit for was the readiness to answer direct questions on the matter.

    You on the other hand adore this subject like a cerebal masturbator.
     
  19. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Well for Stryder's benefit I will answer the thread's questions.

    I cannot empathize with paedo's. I think its fine to leave them in the desert. I disagree with megan's law, simply because I don't think that once a person has served their time in prison that they should be hunted and hounded by society. I think the law should change so that the crime of paedophilia, which under the law is not to be confused with statutory rape, of a child under 12 should be punished with life in prison without parole.

    For the second question I don't think paedophiles are evil, I think they are simply twisted. At the end of the day the study of why paedophiles are paedophiles are only of interest so that society can stop, treat or track the behaviour.

    I am sure all the scientific theories have already been provided by Scott.
     
  20. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    But a teenager of 16 is not what paedo's are afer. Someone who sleeps with a 16 year old is, under the law, guilty of statutory rape not paedophilia. Paedo's target the very young generally under the age of 12. Like this case in Cambodia where one of the victims was a seven year old

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4078304.stm

    Or this one where the oldest victim was 14 and the youngest 10

    http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Cambodian_police_close_in_on_suspec_08242006.html

    I think we should remember that these are not cases of a horney guy looking at a teenager and thinking she's just about 17.
     
  21. scott3x Banned Banned

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    I have already stated that I can be attracted to minors but that I don't go out with them. I have already stated multiple times that the label 'paedophile' is defined in far too broad a manner here for me to have any desire for it in this place. I believe atleast some people who are asking me stuff know all of this full well.

    What they are trying to do, as far as I'm concerned, is persuade me that some of my beliefs are mistaken, which is another matter entirely. I agree that what they are asking me has nothing to do with 'where pedophiles come from' per se and am perfectly amenable to either having a new thread started with a title like 'the age of consent laws- the best system?' or something to that effect, but since my last effort at starting a thread along these lines resulted in you closing it before anyone got a post in, I won't start the thread myself.


    Laws can and do change. I brought up the example of the gay rights movement as an example of laws concerning sexuality that have changed.


    Don't you think that's ironic? That when kids do bad things they are should be raised in status? If anything, the reverse should occur; their actions clearly demonstrate that they were less responsible, not more.

    What constitutes maturity may be elusive, but no light will be shed on what constitutes maturity by focusing on age, which, while it may statistically be used as a metric for maturity, doesn't do so well when it comes down to a case by case basis. What's more, maturity is something that should be learned, and there are different types of maturity; there's the maturity to know that you should be very reluctant to spend what you don't have (that is, get into debt) and then there's things like maturity in a relationship and a sexual relationship. How to be mature in all of these things is something that we learn. The problem is that when it comes to sexual relationships, many minors aren't given all that much guidance by adults, who generally know more about such things.
     
  22. scott3x Banned Banned

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    There is a grain of truth in what James is saying; what it comes down to is that I must constantly stress that I follow the law here even if I disagree with it. For this reason, when a question like "what do you think is right?" is thrown at me, I frequently bring up the law as one of the factors in answering that question. Lucysnow apparently realized this but she didn't follow through with the only way to get around this problem; that is, she would have to specify something like "in a society where it's not against the law...". That would take care of the law bit at any rate.



    I agree with this. I have stated numerous times that Mary Kay's approach isn't mine and there seems to be some truth in that there was an immature part of her that led to do what she did; I really wish I could read the book she and Vili did but this does seem to be the logical explanation. For the most part, my dissent is reserved for the online world; even bringing it up in the offline world, let alone breaking the law, is far more problematic.
     
  23. scott3x Banned Banned

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    I did answer her questions, she just didn't like my answers. Anyway, Stryder has decreed that all that stuff is off topic so unless you want to start a thread where it's on topic or you want to ask me stuff via PM, we may have to let this rest.
     
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