OT vs NT Inerrancy

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  1. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    tiassa,

    ...Questions for you...

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    But this one wasn't one of the big ones....

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    Who said His suffering was lessened? It wasn't! And who the heck is this "Athanasius"? Does he understands the scriptures? :bugeye:
     
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  3. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Ummm ....

    Cool ... I'll get it in that thread.
    Um ....

    Now ... er ....

    Did it ... nnnno.

    Ummmmm .....

    (Really, um ... can anyone give me a hand with this one? Please?!)

    Okay, okay, okay ....

    Seriously, man? I'm going to go smoke ....

    Okay ... everything's good. The baby is sleeping, my blood chemistry is approaching target levels. Now then ....

    - St. Athanasius (Catholic Encyclopaedia)
    - Athanasius, St., Bishop of Rome (Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1878)
    - First Council of Nicaea (Catholic Encyclopaedia)

    A note on that last ... see my post entitled "The crucifixion thread?"

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  5. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    tiassa,

    Catholic? No kidding...

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    The Romans always had problems concerning grace... they live by works. Which creates condemnation. Which creates violence.

    He apperently has doctrines and theology... This is wrong. Even the Bible states so...

    Mark 7:6-8
    "6 And He said to them, "Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
    'THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS,
    BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.
    7 'BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME,
    TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.'
    8 "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men."

    I haven't seen this thread... but now I don't have time... it is too late...

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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Um ....

    You seem to be missing a vital part of history. A quick question: Did Christianity magically appear just in time for you to convert? Or is there a history of ideas to consider?
    And Protestants have done marginally better living by a book that would not necessarily have been available for them to bowdlerize without the Romans. I was raised Protestant; we still said the Nicene Creed in our church. Don't dodge into Catholic-bashing; it would not serve this topic a whit.
    I have to ask ... is your browser not set to underline hyperlinks? (Note--the thread in question was hyperlinked in this topic's crucifixion post.)
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  8. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    tiassa,

    Christianity unfortunatly changed with time. The Romans apparently got very spread. If you read Paul's letter to the Romans, you will see that he constantly talks about grace. It is very clear that the Romans did not understand the basics of Christianity and really screwed up everything. But the basic Christianity told by Jesus can be summarized in "love one enother".

    I'm not bashing anyone. I'm just informing what is the Catholic's mistake and where you can find it in the Bible. You were raised protestant? Well.. the I guess you are a Christian...

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    That one in particular wasn't underlined. The rest was.

    Awww... Cute...

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  9. ConsequentAtheist Registered Senior Member

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    Where is hell addressed in the Torah? Why do you deprecate the Noahide Laws and the Mitvot?
     
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    Anywhere. At least, explicitly. One can argue that hell and heaven are states of the mind, but there is also the issue of "eternal life". To discuss about that is quite crazy, cause it needs A LOT of scripture research...

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    I have no idea what you are talking about. Please, cite scriptures.
     
  11. ConsequentAtheist Registered Senior Member

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    That much is apparent.

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    I don't recall reading anything in the Bible about "Noahide Laws"... :bugeye:
     
  13. ConsequentAtheist Registered Senior Member

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    When it comes to the Tanach, you haven't a clue!

    Noahide Laws.
     
  14. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Seems like teology to me... and it doesn't seem bibilcal...
     
  15. ConsequentAtheist Registered Senior Member

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    You've tried twice and you still don't have it right. Try again.
     
  16. ConsequentAtheist Registered Senior Member

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    By the way, since you're so ready to teach us all about the bible, what, in your expert opinion, is the prefered version of the Torah/Tanach/OT to use.
     
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    ConsequentAtheist,

    So you are saying YOU is the expert...:bugeye:

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    This Noahide Laws is a doctrine, something that men wrote, not God. Again...

    Mark 7:6-8
    "6 And He said to them, "Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
    'THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS,
    BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.
    7 'BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME,
    TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.'
    8 "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men."

    Interlinear Bibles are the best to use....
     
  18. ConsequentAtheist Registered Senior Member

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    What, in your expert opinion, is the prefered version of the Torah/Tanach/OT. For example, do you have a preference for the LXX or the Masoretic text, and why?

    BTW: gMk clearly doesn't apply - but I bet you would have figured that out sooner or later on your own.

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  19. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    ConsequentAtheist,

    I've answered your question.:bugeye:
     
  20. ConsequentAtheist Registered Senior Member

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    LXX, BHS, ... ?

    No, you've avoided the question. The distinction between OT variants is not a trivial one. How, for example, do you address the primitive polytheism of Deuteronomy 32:7-9?
     

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