yes... I realize it. Somewhere I read about an "Orgonne" "Living Water Generator". It was an electropolishing rig, without the caustic chemicals. Whaaaa? The guy was basically putting a metal hydroxide into solution and then calling it "excess" energy when run backwards as a battery. It was really just a rather bad backwards battery. However, if anyone wishes to have a (read carefully) Conversation about Chi or "life force", telekinesis, remote viewing, or the likely mechanisms behind such phenomenae, please feel free to contact me. Do not start a fight. I'm in no mood to put up with childish pedantics such as what I saw on the ramjet topic. If you do start a fight, however, I'll be more than happy to finish it. But, i'd be much happier having a rather open-ended discussion on these topics - just be careful what presumptions you bring to the table, and how tightly you hold to your beliefs of how a system works. I.e: A man is brought to a surgeon in 10th century greece. He has a large swelling on his foot, with an obvious snakebite. The Surgeon explains that his humors have been knocked out of balance by the snake's bite, and he must remove some phlegmatic and sanguine humors to restore balance. He lances the swollen region with a razor, allowing blood and a clear fluid to flow out. The patient is back up on his feet two days later, feeling just fine. It really was the humors out of balance! *fast forward ten centuries* Joe gets a snakebite. Joe goes to the E.R. E.R. Physician Dr. Mitchell tells a nurse to get the snakebite kit. Dr. Mitchell puts on a turniquet, lances the bite, and extracts the venom, and a minimal amount of blood, and prescribes some benadryl and an anti-inflammatory. Joe feels better. Joe gets a bill for $1500 Ah, it really was the venom making Joe's leg swell up and go numb. Was it the humors, or the venom? Doesn't matter so much as long as you don't make assumptions based on assumptions. i.e., don't assume that another swelling is a result of humors out of balance just because that assumption worked for a snakebite. Maybe it's humors, maybe it's venom, or maybe you've got cancer.