OPINION : New COVID-19 restrictions will be needed for anti-vaxxers

Discussion in 'World Events' started by dumbest man on earth, Jun 28, 2020.

  1. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    call it what you like... your choice!

    May be the herd can get them to pay for their necessary medical and needs support by forced labor as well...?
    Salt mines sound promising... Salt being a natural "cleaner"....

    Just a matter of choice hey?

    btw quarantine camps have happened before and will happen again...

    The herd has to respect your decision to isolate yourselves from the herd.
     
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  3. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    herding back to the science
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    and ignoring the vast sums of money that are now on the table for private companys for vaccines all paid by the government without negotiation or price comparison(what price is to much to re start the economy none really but somewhere there is probably a point to be discussed which is a bit of irony when lifes and the economy has been set up for a suicide economic bomber by not locking down properly the 1st time)

    if people know it is not their or their neighbors house on fire they are less likely to pull over as fast and let the fire truck get through
    though most people are not looking out for the fire truck to let it though faster so they can save more lifes


    im a little distracted
    back to my main point about herd immunity and its realativenes to the over all process of effectiveness verses a vaccine application for individual immunity and collective immunity to the virus
    im loosing track something is annoying me


    ... saving lifes ...
    herd immunity debate may be mute if the anti bodies only last for 3 months
    i doubt governments & the super rich will move fast enough to be able to have that much vaccine on the front line to create herd immunity as an over all cover
    it is likely to play out as a flowering random patch work effect of direct immunization immunity with social distancing being the primary herd barrier.


    however someone with a bit of power and money can track n trace the track n tracing to install a time line to back trace the infection contact tracing to gauge a time relationship to an effective time line

    something is still annoying me and distracting me
    im leaving it there before i decide to delete my post


    )-(erd immunity may be impossible with COVID_19

    but that potential unknown fact should have no baring on the forced vaccination of babys and children

     
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  5. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Do anti vaxer's really want the herd not to be vaccinated?
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    there around 4 different types of anti vaxer groups
    in the interests of babys and children who require forced vaccination & get no personal choice if they can be vaccinated or not
    i will not elaborate
     
  8. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Yet , on the basis of this admitted ignorance, you have decided to be an antivaxxer.

    A perfect example of ’wilful ignorance’, in fact.
     
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  9. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    That depends on the R factor for the disease in question. The more infectious it is, the higher the proportion of the population needed to reach herd immunity. Estimates for the current virus vary a lot but figures I’ve seen suggest 70-80% may be needed. Even with a lower proportion, the contribution vaccination can make to reducing R can make fewer other measures needed to keep R below 1. So for example it makes it easier to allow schools and restaurants to open, even if we still need to wear masks on public transport etc.
     
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  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    If immunity only lasts a short time that number may be even higher - if we can reach herd immunity at all.
     
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  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Some anti-vaxxers want everyone ELSE to be vaccinated so they get the protection without having to deal with needles and whatnot.
     
  12. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    Ive never seen one that wants that
     
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I've seen several suggestions on Facebook to do just that. "Well if you think vaccines are so safe then why don't YOU get them! If what you claim is correct, then that will save us all anyway."
     
  14. river

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    Vaccines could help with covid-19 , but this virus changes in strange ways ; for example your immunity , once you have had it , could weaken over time . Now that is strange . Never have I heard of this , before .
     
  15. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Never heard of it before? Really? Why do you think we get a new flu vaccine each year?
     
  16. river

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    Influenza evolves into something different , but covid-19 does something different , it breaks down the walls of the immune system , for some . It over powers the immune system . Given time .
     
  17. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    True enough.
     
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Really? You've never heard of booster shots?
     
  19. river

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    Not lately but yes .
     
  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    and the vaccine only works for 3 months . . .



    malaria

    but you cant catch malaria again once you already have it
    unlike covid 19 which you can just keep catching every 4 months or so
     
  21. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    your arguing the letter of the statement rather than the spirit. they don't actually want you to get vaccinated, they still moronicly think they are bad.
     
  22. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    why do anti vaxers get so much press ?
    are they rich & white and having sex on video or something similar ?
    or is it just the fear they sell by parading their children around using them as punching bags for moral outrage scare tactics

    do any of them study science ?(i don't mean christian science)

    are they selling hysterics to the hysterical ?

    are most of the key figures selling wellness products and so, are doing so to create their own market ?
     
  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    a bit like the anti maskers wanting every one else to wear a mask to protect their right to not wear one...
    "Social distancing and masks etc could be seen as a form of collective vaccination..." ~IdeasRus
     

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