Why do I even bother? You have already made up your mind. Without standards the Internet wouldn't exist. The Internet was built on standards, and without them computers wouldn't be able to communicate with each other, web browsers wouldn't be possible- sorry, other web browsers wouldn't be possible. There'd only be Internet Exploder, and Microsoft would own the web, and everyone would have to conform to whatever they chose to implement. Need we run through a comparison again? IE: tons of security holes, no new features in years. Moz: Very few security holes, tons of new features and constantly expanding. Not true. They will be subject to the same pressures as IE, but it is obvious Mozilla & Firefox do a much better than Microsoft, and can handle those pressures. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! You can't be serious. IE gets hijacked left right and center, installs spyware and adware without consent, is vulnerable to sooo many things that enable webdesigners to do things they shouldn't, like installing those things in the first place. Firefox and mozilla are immune to browser hijacking. IE and windows in general are where the security problems are. I believe I've already backed that up. Now you are just spouting your opinion without basis. I bet have a financial interest in MS's software. Not perfectly safe, but one hell of a lot safer. You fuckwit, there'd be no internet without standards. Do you even understand the concept? Well, Opera sales have tripled in light of recent browser-related events, so obviously some people. And what does that say, when people are willing to pay for another browser rather than use IE? Then you are not catering to the general public, and should not act like it. Stop trying to tell people IE is better for average Joe. Average Joe is going to have their PC bogged down with adware and browser hijackers, etc., likely within a day of using IE. Security through obscurity has proven to be a flawed methodology, and if you aren't willing to open your code for peer review, I'd never have you as a customer. The best forms of security are secure even with an attacker has access to the code, because it just doesn't change the fact that it's secure. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! :bugeye: Far from it. IE is a steaming pile of... why do I bother? Mozilla is designed to be part of the Mozilla suite and normally comes with Thunderbird for email, IIRC. You can get it by itself though. Firefox is based on Mozilla but is slimmed down to make it the bare essentials. You then install extensions to customize it how you want. That way you only have the functionality you need/want. And if there's some functionality not available you want, you can always write a plugin or give the idea to someone who will.