Only 34% know that Bush II bailed out the banks and not Obama!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Jul 20, 2010.

  1. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, that was good PieAreSquared!
     
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  3. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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  5. Pinwheel Banned Banned

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    Ask for the money back.
     
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  7. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    We are getting the money back despite all the flack Obama and the Dems took from Republicans when Dems tied repayment of the money to executive pay. Funny how that works, you tie getting paid back to executive pay and you get paid back fairly quickly.

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  8. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think public control of education is the problem. I have seen good school systems and bad school systems. And the common thread that runs through all good school systems is management...just as in private industry.

    If you get a good school board, you get good management. If you get a bad school board, you get a bad school district. The difference between good and bad schools is not money spent, or private versus public but management.

    Somehow people think that if something is private it is automatically better than a public institution. That in my experience is not the case. It all boils down to who has the better managers be they private or public.
     
  9. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    Supposition.
     
  10. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    Actually the "raw deal" started in 1913 when the Republicans were home for Christmas break and the atheist liberals sold the country out to the banking interests. . . :roflmao:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Act#Legislative_history
     
  11. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    If they don't want their children to be exposed to T.V. and it's lies, they can turn it off and not pay cable or satellite.

    If they don't want their children exposed to mainstream media and it's lies, they can decide not to rent the corrupting movies, music, or not to turn on the radio.

    But they don't have a choice but to support through their taxes the National Propaganda Radio, the Public Brainwashing Service, and the lies taught in the public education system, it's automatic behavioral reaction patterns programmed into our children along with the distorted values rather than having our children taught how to question, reason and think.

    Teaching your own children, or deciding who is going to teach them how to think; And teaching them, what is the truth is, and what it is not. This is more than half the battle. Seems you want to be the one to decide for us all.
     
  12. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, then they take out more loans from the gov. b/c they are so buddy buddy with it's treasury chief, and these loans have NO strings attached! And the bank is in even more trouble now and MORE in hock.

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    You actually think these businesses are solvent? Go talk to Billy.

    Face it, they're all crooks in D.C., and they are all in bed with the money masters and the boys that make the money. It really doesn't matter WHO bailed them out, they BOTH did. The Federal Reserved system and financial elites manipulate the system and they orchestrated the derivatives instruments and the housing bubble. They own, control, fund and pick and run the candidates for both parties. When they wanted this bailout, they did some pretty dirty things and played some pretty dirty tricks to get it. Just like they did when they passed the federal reserve act.

    Blaming one party or the other is just about the blindest most ignorant thing I can think of. Frankly, if you are going to blame a party, it is probably more the Democrats fault, because more often then not, these elites find it easier to operate with in that party. But they operate seamlessly and efficiently within both. If they want to do anything internationally, say make a treaty, internationalize trade, do something like take over a resource for a company, seize a illegal drug supply route, whatever, they usually use the republican party. But either will do. The National parties and the people in them? Pawns. And they have limitless financial resources to move them. They print the money, and own the IRS. They think they own you. Do they? Or didn't you know?
    http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm
     
  13. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Based on the evidence of history and reason.
     
  14. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    It sounds like you want to live in total isolation . You can keep your children at home and home school them, that is your right. But it is going to be hard to keep them out of society all their lives.

    In my book a good education does not seek to keep information out, but to put information in. And that is what you are doing by trying to isolate your children. At somepoint they are going to be exposed to society unless you are one of those who live alone in some remote patch of the world.
     
  15. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know what you are talking about. Most of the TARP money has been repaid. It you are refering to the Fed open window, those are collateralize loans.

    And yes banks for the most part are well capitalized and solvent. Insolvent banks are nationalize and resold to the highest qualified bidder.
    I would agree that they are mostly crooks in Washington. But after that you go off the deep end. There is nothing wrong with the Fed. It serves many vital functions including compensating for an incompetent congress and executive.

    The financial congress was work of congress and the nations executive, not the Fed.

    I see you are into the conspiracy theories big time.

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    Blaming the right offender regardless of party is the right approach. But I will have to disagree with you on who is more to blame. If you look at the administrations of the last several decades Democrats have been much more fiscally responsible than Republicans.
     
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    Thats true.
     
  18. Cowboy My Aim Is True Valued Senior Member

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    Most politicians are hypocrites. And most Republicrats are socialist hypocrites. A lot of the people who oppose bailing out Wall Street banksters are fine with lining the pockets of union goons. A lot of the people who are against handing out money to the UAW will turn a blind eye to bank bailouts.

    The government we've inherited is a giant pile of crap. And the next generation stands to inherit something even worse. The average American is getting the government that he and she deserves.

    The sooner it collapses, the sooner we can rebuild.
     
  19. Cowboy My Aim Is True Valued Senior Member

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    I've been calling Bush and the RINOs out for their socialism for quite a while. Both parties wholeheartedly embrace socialism when it comes to their own pet projects, but condemn it when it comes to the pet projects of their political foes.

    The only people who refer to the GOP as "capitalist" are Republicans who are trying to sell their platform and leftists who use the term as a pejorative.
     
  20. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    I think that sums up the problem in a nutshell. Too many people want the nation and government to fail. Additionally, too many people do not want to understand the issues or for whatever reason fail to understand the issues at hand. Therefore they go for the simple solution rather than the correct solution (e.g. let the government fail).

    The US government is indeed in a very sorry state. But never before have so many people actively wanted the government to fail. You may not like what comes out of total government failure. And despite what beck has said, what arises out of the ashes of this government may not be better. It could be a lot worse.
     
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  21. Cowboy My Aim Is True Valued Senior Member

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    I don't want the government to fail because I think it will be cool or fun. I think it needs to fail in order to ultimately fix its many problems. We've long since passed the point where this nation's issues can be fixed at the ballot box. Allowing the government to collapse under the weight of its size and idiocy is the only way out.
     
  22. Odin'Izm Procrastinator Registered Senior Member

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    Racism has been around for longer, but that somehow has been stripped from peoples freedom of speech. So if your code of ethics is already selective, why not ban propaganda while your at it, it's equally damaging to society.
     
  23. Odin'Izm Procrastinator Registered Senior Member

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    If you let the institution fail, there will be no authority to handle a transition, as the government will loose all credibility and power. In the case of power vacuums the side to survive is the aggressive and opportunistic one, namely the far right and the evangelical christian lobby. Considering they are also more prepared and will grab for power as soon as the opportunity arises; the only thing you will get in a government collapse, is at best a bunch of zealous morons in power... or at worst a civil war.
     

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