One of the Worst Days of my Life (illegal immigration bill)

Discussion in 'Politics' started by sandy, May 18, 2007.

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  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Your beautiful state's economy would probably collapse without these people contributing to it.

    Keep the free ride for yourself, right?

    You do not represent the American people.

    Where do you get this paranoia from?
     
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  3. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Can't address that directly but it would sure last longer without what it costs in taxes to provide them with an education for their kids, free healthcare and other social programs.

    A rather silly statement, James. We're the ones paying for it for those citizens that really need assistance.


    Perhaps, perhaps not. If you've noticed, there are LOTS of American people that are disgusted with it. Where did you think all this uproar was coming from anyway - the illegal immigrants themselves? Or maybe just a few hard-heads in congress?????
     
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  5. sandy Banned Banned

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    Probably nothing until after the election. If a democrat wins, they will probably pass the shamnesty bill in a newer more liberal form. Then our country will become even more like Mexico. Disgusting and depressing. The up to 50 million criminal aliens are not just roaming around. Many are working cash jobs. Most are sending much of what they make back home. They will continue to drain the USA. I don't care how they feel towards us. It is NOT our job to do anything for them. They are criminal aliens and need to go back where they came from.

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    My beautiful state was doing just fine until about 20 years ago (right after the Kennedy shamnesty bill.) Parts of it look like Mexico now. Ugh..

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    I pay obscene amounts of tax and I take nothing. No handouts. Nothing. They are sucking off legal American citizens. We got fed up and fought back. My "paranoia" comes from knowing what's happening in the world. Mark my words and just watch.

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  7. Kadark Banned Banned

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    Illegal immigration will never stop so long as the US is a better place to make money than Mexico. That, and all the "illegal aliens" will have kids, and so on and so forth, so the hispanic population will skyrocket. Learn to accept it.
     
  8. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Not correct - it can be stopped. By putting more effort into controlling the border and enforcing laws that are already in place. What some here don't seem to realize is that the tension is building FAST and something will have to be done very soon. Pressure is already strong in MANY areas and is increasing every single day.

    You will also soon see some dramatic changes in other countries as well. The citizens in France and the UK in particular are beginning to understand what all the uproar in the U.S. is all about. The fact that their immigrants come from elsewhere makes no difference. They are starting to see their free national healthcare systems being clogged along with other social programs. They'll feel the cost and inconveniences of it even faster than the U.S. has.

    Keep your eyes open and stay tuned...
     
  9. Kadark Banned Banned

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    So you think this whole illegal immigration problem will be solved with a big sturdy wall?

    And what about the illegal aliens already inside?
     
  10. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Of course not. It will also take more effective border patrols and several other things.

    That's where enforcing existing laws comes in. Heavy fines for employers caught using them - enough, in fact to pay for shipping them back. Eventually, most will be deported and if it's hard enough to get back in PLUS to risky (read that as too expensive) for people to give them jobs, the problem will slowly be solved. If they can't get jobs there's no reason for them to want back in.
     
  11. Kadark Banned Banned

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    With 15 million "illegal aliens", your method of finding each and every one of their employers seems very remote. To add to that, a good portion are probably unemployed. Finally, there is the baby issues, in that they are going to increase their numbers continuously.

    BTW, are you American?
     
  12. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    They are a hell of a lot better than Cheney and the Neo-Cons sucking our treasury, ignoring our constitution, and ruining the planet.
     
  13. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    I never said it would be a quick process - and yes, most of them could be easily found. Check the meat processing plants and construction sites and that will easily net you 50% of them right off the bat. The rest is just a matter of routine police work. Check for driver's licenses at routine traffic stops, verify their status when they enroll kids in school, check them out when they show up for free medical help - there's dozens of effective ways to slowly sort them out. In four or five years you would locate better than 90% of that 15 million. (And they can't stay unemployed and hid forever.)

    Babies aren't a real problem (because only some parents would go home without taking them along) but it will take a little effort to change the law that makes the kids citizens just because they're born here. Get that fixed (yes, it will take some time and hard work) and then boot out ALL the kids with the parents.

    In the meanwhile, while waiting on that change in law, the main thing is to stop the influx and remove the identified illegals as quickly as possible.
     
  14. Kadark Banned Banned

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    If this is such a sensible and easy solution, why hasn't the US government practiced it already?

    "A little effort" to change the law that makes kids citizens just because they're born in America?
     
  15. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Becasue the pressure hasn't built up enough for the general population to demand it. But it's increasing and they eventually will. Either the lawmakers and those in positions of responsibility will get with the program or find themselves out of a job at that point.

    Sure. Exact same reason as detailed above.

    By the way, I didn't mean to evade your question about am I American - got carried away with typing my answer and just now noticed it again.

    Yes, I am. And here's something that just might surprise you a little. I've got several good friends (entire families, in fact) that came from Mexico. My kids even went to school with some of their kids. BUT they came here legally and I've no problem at all with that at all - just with the illegal ones.
     
  16. Kadark Banned Banned

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    Didn't you just say this a few posts back?

    Pressure is already strong in MANY areas and is increasing every single day.

    I'd like to hear more opinions on this. Interesting solution, nonetheless.

    According to sandy, America shouldn't tolerate any more legal immigrants either. I'm a little confused on what Americans truly want. Do you think Americans should allow immigrants, given it's legal?
     
  17. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    The Neo-Cons like the idea of a permanent underclass of workers, the same way they like outsourcing and "Free Trade" agreements.
     
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  19. w1z4rd Cry the beloved country Valued Senior Member

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    Ye, imagine how the red indians felt when whites committed genocide on them to try clear your "homeland" up. WWJD
     
  20. Benauld Does your dog bite? Registered Senior Member

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    Well said W1z4rd, I was about to say that the REAL American people are the indigenous tribes people from pre-european times, in response to the following:

     
  21. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    First, let me say that Mexico is no more disgusting and depressing as pure Caucasian countries such as Finland and Denmark. Second, let’s not forget who are the real alien here-Caucasians and blacks. You see, Caucasians always seem to think that they are the lord and master of the world; they will quickly forget the facts and sleep in bed with their own little ideologues. I know it may seem like I am bringing up old wounds, but it wasn’t old wounds when white merchants marched into America and slaughtered many thousand Americans, displacing families, and establishing their own politics. They did the same thing in South Africa, with their apartheid reformation. I agree Caucasians are very enterprising and innovative, but other people have been living peacefully and blissfully without them for years. Part of the reason why Mexico is depressed-believe it or not- is industrialization. You see, there are only so many people in the world, thus only so many goods and services can be rendered, which is rendered by the richer nations. The world is a huge global market, and market share is limited. Thus, countries like Mexico have to settle for what they can produce-especially in a world when 1 million tea bags can be produced by a factory in America in one week. The fact is that industrialization creates rich nations, and you can’t have a rich nation without poor nations. So when next some retarded dude says “why can’t they help themselves”, tell him he doesn’t know shit about economics. I hate immigration myself, all kinds of immigration, illegal immigration and colonization immigration, I am not discriminatory. Illegal immigrants send money back home to help themselves, which only further curbs inflation within the USA. In my opinion, the best reformation and idea was President Bush’s guest worker program, it satisfied everybody without giving citizenship away to offenders. However, the bill has been killed and its very likely there will be more, dissatisfaction, protests, and probably riots before everybody comes to another sensibly consensus. Just look at what happened at the riots in France between immigrant Muslims and French authorities. But unlike other developed countries, America can’t play the same games with its illegal immigrants for two reasons- they are considerably more immigrants in America, and they are indigenous.





    Well, I hope something gets done soon because its only going to get worse. Crime rates and drug use will rise- things all familiar with outsiders. Mexico is a drug haven, and undocumented criminals will always prefer to be off the books. It’s Mystery why the U.S refused to patrol and enforces its borders; even Mexico enforces its own borders over Guatemala. I guess enforcing the borders would have rekindled tensions between the Caucasians and West Indians. Hey, I don’t know, it’s just a guess. My solution is a nation wide raid and deportation, which hopefully will cajole illegal immigrants to come out of hiding and sign up. Nonetheless, the sooner white people start to mingle amongst the polulation, instead of continualy isolating themselves, the better.
     
  22. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    The first two months are nice... and then come the next six months....

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  23. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    If that happens, count me in for the party!!!!!!

    TEQUILA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    YAIYAIYAIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Yes... increasing your real GDP. Shame on them!

    Let's hope so. Then the government cannot mutilate the rest of the world anymore.

    I take you don't give a shit of people starving in africa either, eh? As long as you have a warm bed to go to at night, nice food and tons of toys...

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