One of the Worst Days of my Life (illegal immigration bill)

Discussion in 'Politics' started by sandy, May 18, 2007.

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  1. sandy Banned Banned

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    It appears pansy-@ss Republicans have caved in to democrats demands for amnesty for up to 50 milliion illegal aliens.

    I think I'm going to be sick.
     
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  3. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Jesus would be so proud.
    He hated poor people of different lands too.
     
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  5. sandy Banned Banned

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    This isn't about poor people from different lands. This is about illegal aliens taking over my country. Right now all politicians who supported this make me sick--even Bush.

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  7. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Please explain the difference to me.
    Other than the obvious "they are illegal".
     
  8. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Would Jesus want to reject people from the privelage of his protection and nourishment based solely on what country they happened to be born in?
    Would he want them banished from his country because he fears they will take from some of his precious material resources?
     
  9. peta9 Registered Senior Member

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    She's very unchristlike. It makes you wonder why people like her are christian in the first place. It's very peculiar.
     
  10. superstring01 Moderator

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    C'mon... this has nothing to do with Jesus. Yes, we should be giving as a society. But, it's ridiculous that we should not be secure in our borders as a nation. (on that note, I do believe in the amnesty program... fact is, they aren't going back to Venemexirico, we might as well make them tax paying, LEGAL residents... 'cause there's no way our government is going to uproot between 15 and 20 million people)

    What I think we need to do, more vigorously is monitor the border. More troopers. More patrols. Build a good fence. It's just good sense to control the borders-- no matter how you chop it up. But, they're here. Let's call it what it is and deal with that reality.

    ~String
     
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  11. heliocentric Registered Senior Member

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    :bravo: :roflmao:
     
  12. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    ha ha ha
    ha ha ha
    ha ha ha

    I was going to start a thread about this yesterday, but I knew Sandy would have a hissy fit. Sandy, you never suggested a workable solution. You can't deport 11-15 million people (not 50 million). You can't break up families and still pretend to be the party of family values.
     
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  13. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    For someone who claims to be "Born Again", EVERYTHING has to do with Jesus, by their own claims.
    Someone who constantly brings up their religion, throws it in everyone else's faces and uses it to judge others - they should try and not be so blatantly hypocritical.
    Sandy claims to live his/her life by the example Jesus set, and judges others by his example - (s)he should damned well be held up to that same example.
     
  14. superstring01 Moderator

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    I don't get it... they're here. Do you REALLY see our government kicking out 15-20 million people? We need to focus on securing out borders going forward... but deal NOW with the reality that we are a land of immigrants, probably most of them illegal (not counting the, "illegal seizure of numerous treaty protected Indian lands"-- but that debate for another time). The assimilation process sucks. IT probably sucks now because of a combination of things such as: the huge disparity between MOST of society and the immigrants from Latin America (back when my German and Irish ancestors were emigrating from Europe, the vast majority of people in this country were living in standards that weren't too far above the bottom) and the fact that many of the imigrants are able to absorb government services which never existed back then (and, honestly, shouldn't be given out willy-nilly either... except for public schools... that's just sound investment in assimilation).

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  15. kenworth dude...**** it,lets go bowling Registered Senior Member

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    haha.willy.

    anyway....sandy,if this qualifies as the worst day of you life count yourself lucky.
    imagine what the worst day in an illegal aliens life was like......come you can do it.....empathy....remember it?
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You're right.

    Ack what am I saying?

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  17. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Perhaps we should give amnesty to any and all people who've commited crimes in the USA? I mean, the prisons are full, so ...let's just release them and give them amnesty. Murderers, rapists, child molesters, armed robbers,....

    If it's good for other illegals, it's good for all, ain't it? Why let some criminals benefit from their crimes, yet make others pay the penalty?

    Baron Max
     
  18. superstring01 Moderator

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    You say that like it's a bad thing. Finding common ground is cause for celebration. I'd say let's toast to it, but I'm on percocet right now and BOY does it feel gooooooood.

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  19. kenworth dude...**** it,lets go bowling Registered Senior Member

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    that sounds like a brilliant idea.
    my heart always leaps with joy when you and your absolutes join a thread.
    its like watching a 3 year old get to grips with a challenging toy.
     
  20. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    They are two entirely different thing, and you know it.
    You wouldn't jail someone for life because he parked in a loading zone, would you?
     
  21. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    You can't equate murder, rape, molestation, and robbery with people that simply crossed a border so they would work and feed their families. Actually, this bill proposes that they pay a $5,000 fine. Certainly that amounts to a fair punishment for a victimless crime?
     
  22. John99 Banned Banned

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    yeah but the rest of the poor people living in the U.S had nothing to do with that.

    i dont see why illegal immigrant's cannot be distributed throughout (did i spell tha right

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    ) the world, or at least the other citicens of the world should take some responsibilty too. instead they do nothing *sigh*...so sad, so sad.
     
  23. superstring01 Moderator

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    Baron, you resort to hyperbole far too often to try to make your point. It doesn't work. Yes, they committed crimes-- and in the grand scheme of crimes, I cannot fault them as greatly for immigrating to the USA to find a better life than I can, say, a child rapist. But can't you see how silly it is to constantly resort to the letter of the law in order to make a point? Did the president talk about setting rapists and murderers free? No, because that: (a) isn't on the table, (b) would be ridiculous and (c) couldn't be farther than the truth. Just beause you can use the same formula when discussing "other" circumstances, doesn't make the two points valid. The nubbin of the matter is this: we aren't talking about murder and rape... we're talking about immigration... which Congress and the President clearly have the right and the moral authority to grant amnesty on if they feel it would best serve the country. BUT, to humor your point-- YES, if SOMEHOW it would benefit the entire country for all the rapists and murderers to be set free, then... SURE, I'd be okay with it.

    We are all the descendents of SOME criminal who has come here illegally. I'm not saying that we should open our borders, but the reality is, and not one anti-amnesty person can correctly address this point, they are here and HOW pray tell are you going to get rid of 15-20 million people. You're not. The American people, no matter how sick of illegal immigration, aren't prepared for the mass deportations... and for ONCE I do care about how it would make us look to the rest of the world. The issues plaguing the USA right now aren't caused by illegal immigrants, they are exasperating much of the problems. By granting them amnesty and giving them a road to becoming legal citizens we are able to turn our energies to things better deserving out time and money.

    Again, we need to tripple or even quadrouple our border staffing. Fences, though impolitic, are necessary for security purposes and need to be built to control flash points. Moreover, the USA needs to place just as much pressure on Mexico to guard their side of the border too. Using our tremendous trade surplus with Mexico and their need for our goverment's constant aid can be powerful levers in getting them to start acting like good neighbors.

    Here's my last point-- I think that illegal immigrants need to be treated like criminal suspects. But, at this point, we need to just deal with the reality of the situation and find a path to legality for the ones who are here, and redouble our efforts on the future. Create a starting point of, say, this coming August. If you are here by that time, then you are here... after that time, you missed the boat and our redoubled efforts will be focused on illegal traffic far more consistently and powerfully than they were before. Is it fair to establish such an arbitrary dateline? No. Yes. Who the fuck cares... but it WOULD be good for the country to do so.

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