You're trying too hard. What is it about this thread in and of itself that you take so personally? You can't just make it up as you go. And nary a clue. Let me know when you finally have something to say. • • • Well, right, but that's because you're trying to be confused. See #5↑, 16↑. So, again, something about the coincidence between someone objecting yet being apparently unable to comment on the actual explanation. Seriously, you can't actually tell me anything useful, it seems. Like this: What a waste. So, yeah, I get it, you're confused, especially by what you haven't apparently read, which seems to be a fairly common style around here. Thus: The point of saying that there are all sorts of reasons to ask is that there are all sorts of reasons to ask. What kind of genius are you to find that so confusing? Oh, right, the kind who needs to presuppose no reason at the outset. The reminder to separate the behavior from the religious label is the point of the thread. Such as it is, yet again there remains the point of a general reflection on the state of the discourse, and the implication that some need to find a new argument is probably what unsettles a few people. Is it that you're following the discussion so closely that you missed it, or that you're discomfited because it strikes too close?