On integration and assimilation

Discussion in 'Politics' started by S.A.M., Jun 11, 2009.

  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    Not at all. I know quite well I am very intolerant of any form of intolerance. People who tell me my gender, colour or religion is a decisive factor in whether they are willing to accomodate me do not have reason to expect me to be "fair" to their opinions. I am entirely dismissive of such rubbish.
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  3. Gustav Banned Banned

    good enough
    not quite the right stuff unlike the danes and saudis, ja?
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    Thats rather cryptic for me. I don't expect the Danes or Saudis to accomodate me. Similarly, they should not expect me to accomodate them. They are welcome to decide how they wish their society to be. I am likewise free to have my opinions on their choices.

    edit: since you made it less cryptic.

    well now they have the same choices that the untouchables lived with for centuries. Better, in fact. They can choose to destroy themselves or they can choose to understand that bringing up the entire society will benefit them in the long term. There are always choices. I have little sympathy for people who choose self destruction in a free society simply because there is a recognition that the rights of the underprivileged need to be protected.
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  7. Gustav Banned Banned


    what about the "buns up"?
  8. Gustav Banned Banned


    oh dear
    an admission?
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    What about it? I am all for people deciding how they want to live in their own communities.

    I just don't see the necessity to agree with their POV. If they want it to be all white, all Christian, all Muslim, all <insert desired quality> etc, thats fine by me. Just don't pretend its not discriminatory.
  10. Meursalt Comatose Registered Senior Member

    You're quite certain that was the only reason, SAM?

    I love reading your posts. I've never seen someone add two and two and come up with an answer of 7 so regularly and confidently.
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    Sure. They didn't leave the Middle East alone, did they?

    And they're still knocking themselves out in Afghanistan. If India had oil, our history would have been verydifferent post 1947
  12. Gustav Banned Banned


    how very humane of you
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    Not humane. Realistic. Most of the time, if you give people what they think they want, they move beyond it. Human beings all have the same tendency to get bored with the familiar.
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    Yeah. Its why people who live in glass houses indulge in sordid pastimes. There is nothing more tantalising than the forbidden. Or as they say, nothing succeeds like excess.
  15. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

    Israeli's say the same thing

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    I think a lot of people are dismissive of your rubbish too. Never complain again about Israeli tourists in India since its the locals who are being intolerant and should accommodate them no matter what.

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    You're outstanding Sam.
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  17. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

    Where exactly are there 'jim crow' attitudes? :bugeye:

    I remember once how on the topic of intolerance towards atheists and foreigners in some Islamic countries that you suggested that if they didn't like it they can leave...the when in rome thing...I agreed with you. I just find it ironic that you don't see it the same in the reverse when it relates to western nations.

    The Danes ask so much of their immigrants:


    Tough on immigrants

    Ms Kjaersgaard, has threatened to pull the carpet from under the Liberal-Conservative coalition if she does not get to influence the country's immigration policy.

    And it looks as though she is getting her way.

    The new government is proposing to remove the legal right of refugees and immigrants to bring their families to Denmark.

    Immigrants are not to be granted a residence permit until they have lived in Denmark for at least seven years, compared to the existing law's three years.

    Furthermore, immigrants convicted of crimes are to be sent back to their home country immediately.

    The new government also promises a number of welfare improvements, a reduction of waiting time for operations and longer maternity leave.


    Its terrible isn't it? I mean sending back criminals to their country of origin and not granting residence permits for at least seven years. My god they are becoming like the swiss, taking care of their country. Boo hoo, what's next teaching immigrants how to ride bicycles? :bawl:

    Dey so evil dees Danes!
  18. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

    Its damn racist to take care of ones society over the needs of foreigners

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    One thousand years ago Scandinavians were the barbarians of Europe, spreading fear and extracting “Danegeld” from their more civilized neighbors. In the 21st century Scandinavians are peaceful and soft-spoken, and the roles seem to have been reversed with certain newly arrived immigrants. There are claims that immigration costs Sweden 40 to 50 billion Swedish kroner every year, perhaps even several hundred billions, and has greatly contributed to bringing the Swedish welfare state to the brink of bankruptcy.

    In Denmark right-wing politicians are already debating the threat of immigrant “welfare tourists,” should the Swedish system collapse. In Norway almost half of all children with a non-Western background claim social security benefits. This is ten times the rate of the native population. A Danish commission concluded that Denmark could save 50 billion kroner every year by 2040 if it shut the door to third world immigration. At the same time, statistics indicate that Scandinavians will become a minority in their own countries within a couple of generations, if the current trends continue. While their political elites insist that immigration is “good for the economy,” Scandinavians are in reality funding their own colonization


    How shameful for them not to want to pay for their own colonization! They should emulate Sam the Tolerant and just bend over and take it up the tuckus without the claim after all its xenophobic to not willingly go into bankruptcy over people who don't even respect the society that they live in.
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    Agreed, they are being taken over by the unwashed savages they used to be. Clearly, they should respond by closing the town gates.

    Its like black people in America, just too violent and living on welfare, filling up prisons, bringing down the value of neighborhoods they move into *sigh* the burden of civilisation is too heavy.
  20. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

    Oh so you think Scandinavians are unwashed savages huh? What you're saying that the immigrants are unwashed savages? No one else seemed to think so:shrug:

    Yes the scandinavians have come a long way from the days of the Viking.

    Black people have lived in the U.S from the beginning and were dragged there to boot. Scandinavia was willing to let some people make some money and benefit from living in a western country that has a social welfare system offering many benefits and little crime. They were not forced there. Your exigencies have you taken chattel slavery and compared it to immigration which is really not only unfair and inaccurate it proves that you are unable to think logically on this subject at all.

    We should all see it like Sam, westerners no matter how they extend themselves are wrong. And how dare they try and protect their own society cause they don't have the right. Foreigners on the other hand are all good even if they make things difficult and ruin things for other hard working non-criminal foreigners by engaging in criminal behaviour and bleeding the system. Why? Because anyone from a undeveloped nation or non white nation is de facto good especially when if they relate to the inherently evil westerner who is always wrong and always bad.

    Yup Sam that is really well thought out non prejudicial tolerant way of thinking.
  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    I just let the facts speak for themselves:

    Fears about immigration and the global recession saw hardline nationalists make startling gains in elections to the European Parliament. Analysts said the gains were more a falling off of support for mainstream par-ties. Graham Watson, a British Member of the European Parliament, said disillusionment had given rise to parties "which preach hate and xenophobia."


    Leader Nick Griffin, above Won Two seats (17.4% of vote) Policies Does not accept non-white members, has anti-Islamic platform and calls for "voluntary repatriation" of immigrants. Quote "There is a huge amount of racism in this country. Overwhelmingly it is directed against the indigenous British minority." --Mr. Griffin.


    Leaders Pia Kjaersgaard, above

    Won Two seats (15%) Policies "Give Us Denmark Back" -- campaign slogan. Quote "We haven't just realized that Danes are skeptical of the EU."-- Ms. Kjaersgaard on her long-time policy of Euro-skepticism


    Leader Timo Soini, above Won One seat (10%) Policies Euro-skeptic and anti-immigration.

    Quote "I am offended by allegations that I or my party is racist."-- Mr. Soini


    Leader Geert Wilders, above Won Four seats (17%) Policies Anti-Islamic, anti-immigration, Euro-spectic. Quote "Many people clearly yearn for a different Netherlands and have had enough of this big Europe." -- Mr. Wilders


    Leaders Umberto Bossi, above

    Won Eight seats (10.9%) Policies Anti-immigration. Was behind legislation that makes it a crime to be an illegal immigrant in Italy. Quote "I said that the league would take votes from those on the left who no longer feel represented."-- Mr. Bossi



    Leaders Corneliu Vadim Tudor and Gigi Becali, above Won Two seats (9%) Policies A mix of racism, anti-Semitism and nostalgia for communism, according to Reuters.

    Quote "I have to save Romania from this cancer called Vadim and get him out of politics." --Mr. Becali before joining forces with Mr. Tudor

    Chief candidate Krisztina Morvai, above

    Won Three seats (14.74%) Policies Anti-Roma, anti-Israel, anti-immigration. Founded Hungarian Guard, a uniformed paramilitary body to target "gypsy crimes." Quote "We shall take back our country."-- Ms. Morvai


    Chief candidate Andreas Moelzer, above

    Won Two seats (13.4%) Policies Anti-Islam and anti-Semitic.

    Quote "We are very strong opponents of Islam."-- Mr. Moelzer


    Leaders Jan Slota, above Won One seat (5.5%) Policies Anti-gypsy, ultranationalist.

    Quote "MEPs who will come up from this election should take up significantly harder stances when it comes to national and specific interests of Slovakia."-- Mr. Slota


    Leader Volen Siderov, above Won Three seats (12%) Policies Anti-Islam, ran on a "No to Turkey in Europe" campaign.

    Quote "If we sit and don't work like Bulgarian patriots, one day they [Muslims] will conquer us indeed. They will annex whole regions."-- Mr. Siderov

  22. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

    There is a reason for these 'fears' Sam, there is a reason why these parties have come to the surface and become elected. Pia in Denmark by the way was the one to suggest those oh so horrible changes to the immigration policy. Would you like me to list all the extremists groups that exist throughout the middle east?

    But of course you couldn't care less about how western democracies develop as long as it does so in a down ward spiral. I had been told about how much you hated the west and can never see anything from their perspective or that would be in their best interest and now I understand what you are speaking of.

    Yeah we know we know Sam Europeans are all xenophobic fascists

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    Anyway I'm off to the gym now. :wave:

    Ciao Ciao Sam the tolerant, Sam the fair, Sam who can see things oh so clear.
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    Hey I am sure all these guys are not racists or xenophobes but peace loving Buddhists who spread love and tolerance in their vicinity. I just can't see it. All my fault of course.

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    I sincerely hope they come to power and prove me wrong, advancing the cause of democracy in the best interest of western peoples [hopefully without tossing too many non-western peoples into ovens]

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