Omniscient & omnipotent?

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  1. fess Registered Senior Member

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    How can God be both, they are mutually exclusive?
     
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  3. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    om·ni·scient
    \-shənt\
    adjective
    • knowing everything
    • having unlimited understanding or knowledge
    om·nip·o·tent
    \äm-ˈni-pə-tənt\
    adjective
    • having complete or unlimited power
    Merriam Webster Dictionary

    they are mutually exclusive

    Don't look like to me

    One knowledge, one power

    What are your two definitions?

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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Omniscient - knows everything. Omnipotent - can do anything.
     
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  7. fess Registered Senior Member

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    If God is omniscient, he will know that a particular thing will happen at a particular time in the future. If that is true, he will be powerless to change it. If he changes it, and it doesn't happen, he was not omniscient
     
  8. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    What if there is no future, or past,from God’s perspective?
     
  9. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Fair point. Sounds like a variation on 'can god make a rock so heavy he cannot lift it'?

    However knowing everything includes knowing he won't attempt to change the future and he knows he doesn't

    Most chats of this nature ether never end - turtles all the way down, or end when you look over the edge of the world, see the post of turtles vanish downwards, decide not worth it and back off

    Backs away slowly

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  10. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    He can change it and know what it is after he's changed it. He creates the future while still interacting with the present.
     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    This is not true. It is only true for those of us who are doomed to travel through time.

    Let's take a trip to Lineland for a moment.

    The Linelanders (red dots) all live along the straightedge of a ruler (grey bar). The ruler moves across a surface (green). They are powerless to stop it or see where it will go.
    The black lines are their unmolested futures.

    I am omniscient in that I can see the Linelander's destinies. I am also omnipotent in that I can change their destinies at-will (blue).


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  12. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    In my religion there is a reason that Lucifer (fallen angel of light) knew all along we would suffer and did nothing to prevent it.
     
  13. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    What could he do?
     
  14. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    How do you mean? Like why is he innocent? He knows that...
     
  15. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I believe God can be both - all knowing and all powerful, but he can also allow for us to make our own choices. His will prevails over those choices - depends on one’s belief system, but that’s part of my faith, now.
     
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  16. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not saying he's innocent he's a mass murderer, but you have to wonder who's he killing? Himself? Seriously, how can little satan compete againest God's will?

    Sorry my spell checker isn't working.
     
  17. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    I thought Lucifer set up a heaven franchise to cater for those who would suffer and called it HELL

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  18. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    That's the plan.
     
  19. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    I believe Lucfer and Satan are seperate entities all together, one knowledge the other hatred.
     
  20. fess Registered Senior Member

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    If god knows where those dots will be at a later time, his omnicense makes it impossible for that outcome to change or for him to change it
     
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  22. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    God is still omnipotent because he had to fight an invincible devil, and that resulted in middle earth, and is why there is suffering and evil in our existence.
     
  23. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Jesus is the true light of the world. Satan masquerades as a angel of light. Satans tail sweeps a third of the stars out of the sky.
     

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