Oldest Fragment of the Earth confirmed

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  1. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    http://sploid.gizmodo.com/this-is-t...source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

    Interesting! Kind of throws a monkey wrench in the works for the "Earth is only a few thousand years old" crowd, doesn't it.
     
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  3. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    If they do not accept carbon dating, this is not any more likely to phase them.
     
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  5. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks Kit maybe religion creation is A factor... Maybe not.. But super cool info
     
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  7. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Ya beat me to it - John Valley has done a lot of work in the Jack Hills area examining detrital zircons.

    Looks like his cool wet early earth may finally be getting some traction - I think that's the real news here that most of the media seems to skip over.
     
  8. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    This thing's way too old for carbon dating to be of any use. The radioactive dating method used uranium.
     
  10. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    The only primates living in Mesopotamia at that time were a single species of ape, Homo sapiens.

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    Nonetheless, there were several civilizations thriving on Earth at that time, and the oldest was right there in Mesopotamia. Traders traveled far and wide. You'd think a few rich people would have pet monkeys brought in from Africa, Indonesia, etc.
     
  11. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder how large the crystals were.
    Zircon can get quite large.

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    @Fraggle
    As the poet says:

    Quinquireme of Nineveh from distant Ophir,
    Rowing home to haven in sunny Palestine,
    With a cargo of ivory,
    And apes and peacocks,
    Sandalwood, cedarwood, and sweet white wine.


    King Solomon had a navy. Ophir was probably in India.
     
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  13. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Mind you, rowing from Nineveh (on the Tigris) to Palestine would have been quite a schlep. No Suez canal back then - they'd have had to go round the Cape of Good Hope and through the Straits of Gibraltar!. Phew! Did these ancient seafarers make such voyages?
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    If we're imagining the King of Israel to possess a navy, we might as well have his trading vessels equipped with wheels for the overland stages of the journey - towed by dinosaurs, if I have my theology straight.

    If I recall, there are some rocks from my neck of the woods (Canadian shield regions) - entire rock formations, not zircon inclusions - that some folks date to 4.4 billion years. There's an argument. They too show signs of water, ocean.
     
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  16. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Sounds like an argument from personal ignorance to me.
     
  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Young Earth creationism
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Young Earth creationism (YEC) is the religious belief that the Universe, Earth and all life on Earth were created by direct acts of the Abrahamic God during a relatively short period, between 5,700 and 10,000 years ago. Its primary adherents are those Christians and Jews who, using a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation narrative as a basis, believe that God created the Earth in six 24-hour days. . . .

    Since 1982, between 40% and 50% of adults in the United States say they hold the young Earth view that "God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years" when Gallup asked for their views on the origin and development of human beings.A 2011 Gallup survey reports that 30% of U.S. adults say they interpret the Bible literally.
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  18. Username Registered Senior Member

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    That has nothing to do with the age of the earth or the universe. Just how long people have been around which would be referring to civilized, intelligent beings.

    Either way, I find that hard to believe.
     
  19. Username Registered Senior Member

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    Right, ignorance that you can provide information for to fill the void. It all makes perfectly good sense now.
     
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Young Earth creationism (YEC) is the religious belief that the Universe, Earth and all life on Earth were created . . during a relatively short period, between 5,700 and 10,000 years ago.
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    I do too - but unfortunately it's more common than you think.
     
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    How large (percentage) of the religious population does this belief make up?
     
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  23. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Found the memory - this Wiki link gives less attention to the controversies surrounding the dating of the rocks than would be indicated by their heat and persistence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuvvuagittuq_greenstone_belt

    One or more of a variety of Young Earth Creationist beliefs are probably held by a majority of the adherents of Judeo/Christian/Muslim religions worldwide.
     

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