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Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by phlogistician, Mar 23, 2008.

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  1. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    So, you're saying that I do not exist? What is this supposed to be, some sort of Jedi mind trick? And how on earth are either communism or atheism "physically" impossible?
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    only if he agrees that theism is not a belief since I am an agnostic thiest.

    wow so this is what intellectual honesty feels like

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  5. Exhumed Self ******. Registered Senior Member

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    I'd be interested to hear why

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  7. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    Put simply it cannot be a statement of belief to say "I lack belief". It's a logical contradiction.
     
  8. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Anti-Flag, do you believe agnostic-theist is not a belief?
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Well for one thing you can't have an opinion on something you don't know.

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    Existentially that is an impossible position for me.

    So based on all available knowledge and after fine tooth combing all possible scenarios, I took the one closest to it. Strange as it may seem.

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  10. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    If you could prove theism correct it would no longer remain a belief now would it? So if you're an agnostic theist you're aware you can't prove this and are hence believing, your mistake is to believe atheism is the opposite.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    The term "I lack belief" is a logical contradiction.

    Belief requires faith without evidence. Lacking belief itself is open to questioning.

    Lack belief in what? There is no evidence either way. You're just picking the side you agree with

    Does this mean you don't really believe there is no God?
     
  12. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    It's a belief because it claims the existence of an entity, I will however give it credit for admitting it cannot prove said entitys existence.
     
  13. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Does that sparkle with you SAM?
     
  14. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    Has Phlogistician ever actually said whether his problem is with her moderating or her posting?
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Sure I freely admit my lack of belief in atheism is not supported by evidence.
     
  16. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    At this point all I care about is how long we can keep Anti-Flag and SAM peeing on each other, want some popcorn while you watch?
     
  17. John99 Banned Banned

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    True Atheism, like true communism are fantasies. We are talking about things that are not humanly possible. All Atheists are Agnostic, its just a matter of when they realize it or to what degree. Hope, just a little or a lot but it is there and if you dont have it now its only because you dont need it.
     
  18. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm.. do you also treat Germans as if they were Hitler ?
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Only if they treat me like a Jew who should be in a concentration camp and obey their unwritten rules.

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  20. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    Exactly, I am lacking the faith/evidence to tell you god does not exist, but that doesn't mean I MUST believe the opposite now does it? So I am lacking belief at either end, this puts me in the middle. To you that makes me agnostic, but because I am NOT a theist, I am therefore also non-theist, or in other words atheist. Like it or not that's how it works.

    Lacking belief in what the religious tell me is true, I'm also lacking the belief to tell anyone there cannot be a god. See above. Many people hold this position, in fact the majority of people who refer to themselves as atheist(certainly on this board) will identify as the above. Call it weak atheist, agnostic atheist - I really don't care.

    Are you going to twist my answer? Remember that whether there is definitively no god, or that there is a lack of proof for god are different things. I suggest you see above.
     
  21. John99 Banned Banned

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    Well thats it everyone, SAM said there is no evidence either way. NO EVIDENCE.
     
  22. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    And how would you know that atheism isn't possible? You've just called all self professed atheists liars. What has atheism got to do with hope?
     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    If you are calling yourself an athiest you claim to be without gods, thats no longer a "I don't know".

    In fact, I will say you are misrepresenting agnostics here.
     
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