Now Now Persol, Are we going to have to go through that whole Relavistic Pi thing again? The question was: "Justify how you claim you will measure a change in Pi from a ruler which was stated as being on the rotating frame". The correct answer was "You can't". Real short admission of error on some peoples part but rather than do that we had to spend 3 days with addressing side issues and avoiding the question. I think I demonstarted a lot. Some people assume to much about other people and listen to little and talk to much. They let their you know what overload their you know what.