Oil Doesn't Come From Dead Dinosaurs

Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by OilIsMastery, Aug 1, 2008.

  1. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Why do morons such as yourself see extraterrestrial hydrocarbons as something they so clearly are not?

    Why do you keep chanting, and dancing a strange little dance around every direct question posted at you? Things like the above mantra: "No biological molecule can survive subduction into the mantle."

    So bloody what? What does this statement actually mean? Have you ever tried to understand the words?

    Seeing how you seem to have no idea whatsoever, what the meaning of "biological" is? Or what "chemistry" means?

    You don't know do you? Because you're actually a moron, a real-live chalk-breathing, dancing, singing, one!
     
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  3. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    What aren't they?

    Because it's a fact. So, according to you, how many dinosaurs live in the mantle?
     
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  5. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Another mantra, how often do you dance around your little campfire to that one, then?

    You realise, I have no intention whatsoever of answering a single question, right?
    I'm just laughing away at the silly looking moron, here, dancing away and chanting the same lines over and over, as if they mean something. What a cackle.
     
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  7. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    I take that reply to mean utter defeat.
     
  8. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Yes, you have the camp all to yourself; now dance, dammit, let's see some gettin' down.
     
  9. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Actually, Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons have been found in the vacuum of spacetime.
     
  10. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    You were already utterly defeated in a formal debate. Case closed.
     
  11. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    What formal debate?
     
  12. AlphaNumeric Fully ionized Moderator

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    You do know the difference between a dinosaur and a biological molecule right?

    I can't live in space. But the molecules which make up my body can.
     
  13. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    So explain how a biological molecule can survive in the mantle. This ought to be good...

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  14. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    First: explain why you want someone to explain what "biological", and "survive", and "mantle" means.

    That's got a good rhythm to it, I thought, but let's watch...
     
  15. Tristan Leave your World Behind Valued Senior Member

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    Anybody who uses derogatory terms toward others will receive a warning first, and then an infraction. I have had enough of it. I'm tired of hearing reports about it, as much as I'm tired of hearing people complain that there is uneven punishment.

    Period, end of story.
     
  16. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Falsehood.
    I have explicitly aknowledged in this thread, and others that extra terrestrial hydrocarbons exist.

    Strawman fallacy - they're also irrelevant to the discussion. We're talking about conditions on earth that are inherently different.
     
  17. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Strawman fallacy - I stated that your post involved an assumption, not that the paper that you linked to was an assumption.

    Decarboxylation - removing carbon dioxide from fatty acids to produce alkanes (simple hydrocarbons) a process which can be spontaneous at STP.

    Strawman, and a falsehood. Saying that something is an oxidation product of something else, in an environment that is too oxidising to let some other thing form is not a contradiction by any definition.

    Strawman. ONce again, I am not implicitly or explicitly discussing a mantle process.

    Ad-hominem fallacy, and an unprovable statement (also a falsehood).

    I introduced decarboxylation, as an alternative (or partial alternative) that technically negates your thermodynamic argument, which is part of your argument that abiogenesis must be a fact.

    Therefore, the 30kbar is only relevant to one theory, however you misapply it in contexts that imply it is relevant to all theories
     
  18. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    How did they form? Were they generated by decaying aliens?

    No one is talking about conditions on earth being different from conditions in outer space. That is not the topic of this conversation. In what way are the mechanisms of formation different? In what way are hydrocarbons on earth different from extraterrestrial hydrocarbons?
     
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  19. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    Link please.

    You said oxidation prevents the formation of methane which is absurd.

    Then you are posting in the wrong thread.

    Link please.
     
  20. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Ok, about Titan the lunar satilite of Saturn.

    Titan has no naturally occuring Carbon, meaning carbon that is native to Titan.

    The Carbon that exist on Titan is carbon that has been transfered from Saturns atmosphere to Titan, or carbon that is collected from nearby space around Saturn.

    It appears that most of Saturns lunar satilites have no natural carbon that is native to them, and so the presence of carbon or hydrocarbons on such satilites are tansfers from the atmosphere of the parent body Saturn


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  21. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    LMAO.

    You guys just keep coming up with better stuff everyday.

    WTF? LMAO.

    In that case earth has no native carbon because all of the earth's carbon comes from the sun...

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  22. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Isn't anyone going to tell him? Or what the difference (he appears to think an atmosphere is part of the lithosphere of a planet or a moon), is between extra-atmospheric carbon that gets into an atmosphere (from outside) and carbon in the lithosphere (very few planetologists or geologists insist atmosphere is part of the mantle or lithosphere).

    However... (la la la, etc...)

     
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  23. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Many organic chemistry textbooks talk about it (although many of the basic ones discuss specific cases.

    Specific references?

    Solomons Organic Chemistry, Fifth Edition. T W Graham Solomons. Page 798.

    The reaction is thermodynamically favourable, and the rate increases with increasing heat, however, in order to be useful for industrial synthesis, some other catalyst must be present,

    This does not, however, preclude it's apperance in reactions involving the break down of organic matter into alkanes.

    Falsehood. It was you that stated (or implied) that Oxidation prevented the formation of methane in the crust.
    http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1962076&postcount=168

    (While i'm at it, proof that you understood the same thing from the word crust that I did http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1960666&postcount=104 thus rendering your implication we were using different definitions a falsehood).


    Falsehood - the title of the thread implies a discussion of the validity of biogenesis v's the validity of abiogenesis.

    http://www.pnas.org/content/99/17/10976.full
     

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