Oil Doesn't Come From Dead Dinosaurs

Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by OilIsMastery, Aug 1, 2008.

  1. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    LOL.

    There are 7 known alkanes on Titan, none of which came from dinosaurs.

    That only goes up to heptane.

    That doesn't mean there is no octane on Titan...

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  3. Enmos Staff Member

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    Link to an article saying that there is heptane on Titan ?

    Also, are you saying that heptane = oil ?
     
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  5. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    Apparently you suck at observing or else you just fail at life.

    Owned again.
     
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    Owned ? I just asked you to provide a link you moron.

    So there is octane on titan.. interesting.

    Under what pressure can octane only be produced again ?
     
  8. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    30 kilobar.

    Please add this link to your favorites so I don't have to keep repeating myself to the people with zero reading comprehension: http://www.pnas.org/content/99/17/10976.full
     
  9. Enmos Staff Member

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    But it is formed in the atmosphere on Titan..
     
  10. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    No. Exactly as on Earth, it is formed in the mantle and is spewed forth by it's volcanoes and tectonics.

    "Petroleum is the product of a distillation from great depth and issues from the primitive rocks beneath which the forces of all volcanic action lie." -- Alexander Von Humboldt, 1804

    "The capital fact to note is that petroleum was born in the depths of the Earth, and it is only there that we must seek its origin." -- Dmitri Mendeleyev, 1877

    "All the petroleum, natural gas, and bituminous fields or deposits cannot be regarded as anything else but the products of solfotaric volcanic emanations condensed and held in their passage upward in the porous tanks of all ages of the crust of the earth from the Archaean rocks to the Quaternary. Nothing is so simple and therefore nothing so natural as this origin, and we will see that it can be abundantly proven." -- Eugene Coste, 1903
     
  11. Enmos Staff Member

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    I really don't think that's what the article says.
     
  12. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    It's reality pal.
     
  13. Enmos Staff Member

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    Have you been to Titan to research it ?

    The article says it's formed in the atmosphere.
     
  14. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    Well whoever said that is a moron who needs to take a high school physics and chemistry class.

    It has already been shown that the hydrocarbons on Titan come from it's volcanoes: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7489
     
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    It came from little green men who visited us thousands of years ago lol

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  17. Enmos Staff Member

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    Methane, not octane.

    And you just discredited your own source for octane on Titan lol
     
  18. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Strawman fallacy - this is not something i've claimed.


    False flag/strawman fallacy - this statement is only true if you assume abiogenesis to be true. The paper you link to explicitly and exclusively examines abiogenesis, and building up alkanes from carbonates.

    I'm talking about an entirely different process.


    Irrelevant - it does not contradict anything I have said (in fact it agress with it, by implying that even on mars serpentine must form as a result of water interactions as a secondary oxidation product).

    Irrelevant to the discussion (and seemingly in contradiction to Abiogenesis).


    Strawman - i'm not agreeing with you, i'm repeating what you've said.

    Falsehood, as well as a strawman. What I actually said was:

    I've emphasized for you the relevant part that you removed from the sentence. Other then as an appeal to emotion, or an attempt at inflamming someone, was there any particular reason you cut the quote off part way through a word (not to mention excluding a word which is crucial to the context of the sentence)?

    Or are we simply to assume that your argument is that weak that the only way you feel you can 'win' it is by resorting to logical fallacies, outright lies, and factually inaccurate articles?

    This statement is inaccurate, and contains strawman fallacies.

    Fatty acids form part of the carbon recycled back into the mantle at subduction zones.
    I did not mention the mantle in my post.
    30 kilobar is only relevant if you're discussing abiogenesis from carbonates.
     
  19. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Strawman fallacy - nobody has claimed this is so in over 300 years.
     
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    Strawman fallacy - Nobody has made any claims regarding the presence or absence of dinosaurs on Titan.

    Strawman fallacy - It has already been pointed out to you that the ethane on Titan is created by a different mechanism (photolysis/recombination) that is not viable within the lithosphere, or within the mantle, as there is no source of UV radiation.
     
  21. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    How so?
     
  22. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    The paper is not an assumption. It's a conclusion based upon observation and the scientific method.

    What process?

    You've already said you believe that oxidation prevents the formation of methane. Sorry Charlie and LOL at your blatant contradictions. You're still my favorite poster.

    No biological molecule can survive subduction into the mantle.

    That's because you are ignorant.

    That's exactly what we're discussing...

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    What do you think we're discussing? Dinosaurs?
     
  23. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    So why do people such as yourself keep ignoring extraterrestrial hydrocarbons?
     

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