Here's my Quandry. 25 hours after you complained in the thread about S.A.M's avatar, we have Enmos making this comment: http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1795700&postcount=190 Two minutes later with have Shorty 37 making this comment: http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1795703&postcount=192 Which suggests that at this stage S.A.M hasn't changed her Avatar. Then we have this comment from Enmos: http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1795705&postcount=193 From which the only reasonable thing I, personally, can infer is that he's listing alternatives to whatever S.A.M. has her avatar at this point which suggests to me anyway that Enmos is querying what in addition, or as an alternative to whatever it is that S.A.M. has as her avatar, which, in turn suggests to me that the Swastika isn't visible in S.A.M's avatar. In other words, it comes accross as (to me at any rate) a side discussion about what other avatar's might or might not be acceptable, and just how far one might be able to take freedom of speech before one got the proverbial rap over the knuckles. And no, I don't believe that a Bobblehead would genuinely upset you, however, given the tone of the thread at that point, and the tone of some of the other posts you made at around that time, and others (for example, (Q)) made at around the same time, I, likewise, do not believe that you had to be genuinely upset at the time to make the comment that you did - especially when one considers some of the frankly sociopathic stalking behaviour that some of the atheists on this forum display when dealing with anybody who dears to exercise their right to religous freedom (some of which, I have had the misfortune of moderating). My position seems to be strengthened by the fact that in the intervening pages, I can not find one single comment that indicates that S.A.M changed her Avatar between the side-discussion about the swastika, and the comments about bobbleheads. Moreover, there are comments that come after the discussion that suggest that S.A.M's avatar may not been changed at this point. For example, this one from Enmos: http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1796600&postcount=280 Suggests (to me at least) that she still has the same avatar up that Enmos asked her to take down. Also, based on what I have observed of S.A.M, I do not believe that she would not take it down so quickly - especially if she had a point to make, I believe the more likely scenario would be that she would procrastinate about taking the avatar down, going as far as engaging James in an extended PM debate, perhaps expressing her exasperation in the Mod forum (which I can find no evidence of), and then logging off for 12 hours and changing it when she logged back on. I do not believe that the time between your complaint in the thread, and the discussion of bobbleheads is sufficient for this to have occured.