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  1. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    And our metal make up, desires, aspirations etc. play no part at all in what makes us human?

    I was asking you: you seemed to be of the opinion that humanity was simply a biological definition.
     
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  3. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Okay: so if god were truly all-powerful why the hell didn't he make us with that knowledge already installed and cut out the suffering?
     
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  5. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    We'd only be ignorant of good and evil, and as they server no practical purpose, we wouldn't be missing anything, would we?

    So it seems self defining Lori, that's the problem. It's like a house of cards, each bit holds up the other, remove one piece, and it all falls down.
     
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  7. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    What sin ?
     
  8. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Did you get the Huxley reference ?
     
  9. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    of course they do. do you desire to be this fucked up? i don't. how many people in this world really achieve the desires of their heart? how many aspirations are left unmet because we live in this world of slavery? there is not one of us who is completely fulfilled. many, almost entirely unfulfilled. even if we have all of the material things.
     
  11. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    shut up. you're just as disgusted as i am.
     
  12. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    no.
     
  13. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Let me rephrase: Sin according to who ?
     
  15. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    installed? what in the hell are you talking about? how do we achieve knowledge? knowledge isn't "installed". when we were perfect, we fell by choice, so that we would know what god knows. if it were installed, then how would we know the truth? how would we see? if you don't experience suffering, then how could you possibly know what it's like to suffer?
     
  16. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    according to YOU. are you not looking at the same world i am?
     
  17. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    What is a sin according to me, may not be a sin according to whoever.
    See, it's not objective. We have a problem here, Huxley.
     
  18. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Agreed.
    And if we eliminate the factors listed then we will no longer be human.

    Ah, you see.
    I don't see "fucked up" I see errors in the striving.

    Poor you.
    So if we get everything we actually want (as opposed to the things we think we want) and are fulfilled then we also become non-human.
     
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    dude, you're lost. basically what you're saying here is that if we're not rotten and unhappy and unfulfilled and fucked up, we're not human. and you're wrong about that.
     
  21. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    And here is the crux, of the Christian problem.

    Are sins just the 'seven deadly sins'? Breaking the 'Ten Commandments'? What about abominations? Seems many Christians are more hung up on homosexuality, and Onan spilling his jizz on the ground, than they are with bearing false witness and demonising people, let alone actually acting like Jesus, and abandoning all that Old Testament Hatred.
     
  22. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Nope, you're misreading.
    If we don't have the hopes, aspirations, wants etc THEN we aren't human.
    If we don't have anything to strive for THEN we aren't human.
    If we aren't somehow dissatisfied and therefore want to improve things THEN we aren't human.
     
  23. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    oh come on. sin is sin. and i don't care what you call it. you know it when you feel it. do you feel it? do you see what causes our problems? it's quite obvious really. it's blatent.
     
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