# of jobs vs quality?

dixonmassey · May 21, 2007

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I doubt this. I do not have current data on land prices in the NW / Mid West US, but bet more than 90% of these "wage slave" already have sufficient funds to do what you are suggesting, but they chose not to.
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Darn right, after spending 8-12 hrs on a job, one would not invest much efforts in doing things with little if any financial returns (unless its a hobby). Even though, "gentelman" beef raising is quite widespead as a source of an additional income, since it requires just a fence and water. One must remove big Agro price plummeting advantage, to revive small farmers. That's one reason, the other is that an average American is few generations away from farming land. He has no clue how to do it, they have no clue if they will like it or not. Yet another thing, humans, whether they like it or not, will be forced to change their diet. Big Agro plunders the Earth so that meats and HFCS, staples of the modern diets, would remain relatively cheap, thus creating unwarranted illusions and hundreds of millions of chronic illnesses.

All could save enough to do so at least in Montana or Canada and there are much cheaper places still. - I bought 130 acre cattle farm with two small houses on it here in Brazil 15 years ago for only $20,000 US dollars. The pasture was run down - only supported about 15 steers, but during the 10 years I held it, with less than $2000 in plow service and grass seed, I had 50 steers on it. I sold it for about $40,000 and half was "paid under the table" so no tax on profit. This was the buyer's suggestion. - He had money that he could not justify where it came from and did not want the official price to be even that high, but I refused to let the records show a loss. (In Brazil's tax forms you must annually list your main assets. - if they increase more than your income, you have problems.)
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I know that in the States one cannot buy productive land for much less than $5k/acre. One needs 40 acres or so for a minifarm. That's 200k + taxes, the people who could be interested in farming usually don't have savings like that. No bank would finance a minifarm. The price of more marginal lands drops to $1k/acre, however, one must have more poor land, it's expensive. Working land, imitating big Agro techniques and crops, is prohibitively expensive too.
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Billy T · May 21, 2007

dixonmassey said: ↑

...I know that in the States one cannot buy productive land for much less than $5k/acre. One needs 40 acres or so for a minifarm. That's 200k + taxes, the people who could be interested in farming usually don't have savings like that. No bank would finance a minifarm. The price of more marginal lands drops to $1k/acre, however, one must have more poor land, it's expensive. Working land, imitating big Agro techniques and crops, is prohibitively expensive too.
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OK. They probably need to leave USA if that is true. I did it when the dollar was worth more, so it is harder to do now, but still possible for many if they want to.

Probably doing what you are suggesting is a very wise thing to do, as very soon now, the US's "suburban infrastructure" will be the worst in the world for coping with liquid fuel prices. The average "Joe and Jane American” has a few years already of experience with their real salary going down and now is seeing the main asset (their house) lose value in real (inflation adjusted) terms. Some have had drastic reductions in even their nominal salary as their factory closed. Out sourcing is taking a many, if not yet most, of higher pay "white collar" jobs away also. The "MacDonalization" of the USA is already painful and rapidly growing worse.

The wise are getting out while they still can. I did 15 years ago and 5 years ago got much of my money out (into ADRs, which are now, on average in dollars, up 350%. 2/3 of my pension assets, which could not get out for tax reasons, are still in USA and mainly invested in TIPs. )

I enjoy life more here. - I do not mind waiting for the horse drawn buggy in a small town or slow driving on rural dirt road to avoid hitting the cows etc. The year -round selection of fresh fruits and vegetables (dozens I never ate before) from local farmers market (100s all over Sao Paulo exist) is nice. Hard to believe what very pretty girls (don't) wear on the beach. Even the many homeless, sleeping on Sao Paulo's sidewalks seem happy if "their" football team is winning. The whole country stops for "important" foot ball games. They have dozens of holidays US does not have, many related to religion or historic event in the city or state. Everyone has July as a vacation - Most may not have much money but Brazilians know how to enjoy life. To control AIDs, the government gives away millions of free condums. People my age do not pay for public transport and have special short lines in the banks and grocery stores.

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