What I would like to do is generate with your help a series of discussions on this vexatious issue. I do realize that in the main philosophy has concluded that the possibility of observing an objective truth is very unlikely due to as the Buddhists would say in their cryptic way, the discursive nature of the mind. In a sense they are saying that is is the nature of the mind to assess and analyze what it perceives and in doing so apply reductional - istic techniques thus reducing the whole to suit the pre-existing minds paradigm or world view. Thus what we perceive is subjectively what we are only capable of "seeing" and not what is actually there. So in this sense Buddhist thought is compatible with Western thought on this issue [ please correct me if I am wrong and note that is the intent of this thread to be corrected and extended] That absolute objective truth is unavailable to our perception That this is due to our desire to apply reductional techniques That we do so to fulfill our desire to find "meaning" that makes sense to us and is compatible with our pre-existing world view. Yet whilst we know that this form of truth is unavailable in saying so we acknowledge by default that it possibly exists, as to claim something is unavailable necessarily extends to the possibility that it is existent. A perpetual tease so to speak and very much like the idealism of perfect knowledge and beauty. "We know that perfection is nonexistent yet we strive our hardest to achieve it." So Absolute truth is simply another one of those ideal perfections that we endlessly journey to wards the discovery of. In the Buddhist and other Yogic style ideologies removing ego [ aka desire ] one has the potential to "see" your self in a reality that actually exists and not as a dream like subjective creation generated by the distortions that desire [ suffering] create. Within the Buddhist position it is held that to do so one would cease to exist and become one with that reality [ identity would be annihilated [ destruction of the ego [ desire ] whilst "living" means to become entirely passive to your environment [ in the extreme ] whilst awake and active. It is held that it is only when one is entirely passive to themselves and the environment that one becomes one with that environment and not in competition with that environment. It reminds me of an old question I used to ask my self: "Do I want the "truth" that should be or the "truth" that is?" Hence acknowledging that in absolutism truth is prevented from being experienced because it is not the truth that we want. [ A form or instinctive self denial] "An old and wise Buddhist monk took his novice to the field and sat him down near a large tree. He asked the novice to tell him what he saw of the "tree". The novice started to describe the tree, it's branches, it's leaves, it's color, and vibrancy. The monk said "nope, that is not what you see try again" The novice confused again started to describe the tree wondering if he was describing it incorrectly. Again the Monk said "nope, that is not what you see try again" Eventually after many attempts the student gave up and exclaimed to his mentor in frustration, " I see what I see !!" . To which the monk replied, " ahhh! well done, tomorrow we shall look at some flowers...."" Obviously the point this makes is that in Buddhist thought absolute truth is available but near impossible to achieve in fact even the Buddha himself failed to do so as he is no longer alive and one with his universe a he died of food poisoning. If he had succeeded he would live as long as the universe does and be alive and effectively a God on Earth. Such are the ideas of Buddhism. Of course the notion of ego destruction is anathema to Western thinking and of course this means that the Western thinker will fail to grasp how his own mind will act to defend it's ego position [ self justify it's desires ] In essence Buddhism can be considered as another manifestation of the "god complex" that seems to haunt humanity. [ a whole philosophy built on the ambition of becoming God - oneness with creation] I have discussed Buddhist philosophy because it offers a possible insight IMO to how absolute truth [ objectivity ] may be available and what obstacles are deemed to be in the way of perceiving it. Care to discuss?Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! . . . Note : the insight in to Budhhist thinking is only my own inbrief assessment and I apologise if I am incorrect. Also I am not a Buddhist as I am more inclined to more Panthenistic lifestyle choice.