I wouldn't exactly call 'somehow' defined though.. What I want to know is what these conditions are and how they come to be. It seems to me the is important to the discussion and I fear vital.. The point is: What is value materialistically seen ? But does the brain value 'part of it self', or does some part of the brain value other parts of the brain ? And, if so, can this part also value itself ? It was.. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! That was kind of intentional.. not fully though Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! This is what I mean Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!p) when I say the words aren't working with me on this. Oh, I do get it.. and it's a constant source of irritation.. on both sides I am sure.. I have said it before but I'll will repeat it here: What I have to say about meaning does not in any way nullify it in the subjective sense. Meaning is real to us, and living things or at least humans seem needy of it. The feeling of purpose and meaning are the result of evolution and thus (more than likely) a very important phenomenon of the brain.