History is currently written by the countries that do good economically, these are USA and China. And China is clearly not in good terms with Japan. Ask the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and their children what they think.
I think we all agree on the historical facts. Do you think the survivors of Hiroshima still feel that the war didn't last long enough? That Japan made a mistake when they surrendered?
Picture this nuclear bomb on New York and Los Angeles. And tell me of American "appreciation" afterward. If a small Pearl Harbor attack made such a frenzy, what would have happened had the same America done to Japan was done to it?
No one wants to be bombed, but that doesn't make it wrong. I'm sure the Germans guarding the Normandy beaches didn't appreciate being shot either.
I think arguing over if the atomic bombing were righteous or not is for the history sub-forum. What does North Korea want? Attention clearly, but why? If the north wants to force the USA into a peace treaty than who will the north scapegoat afterwards? No, I think the north wants to force aid and lifting of the sanctions primarily, they will halt production (but retain capacity) of nuclear weapons IF we lift sanctions and start sending them aid, and will threaten more production if we don't send more aid. The Nuclear weapons aren't going to go away, not as long as the North Korean government continues to exist. They are too paranoid to give them up, and they are too useful as an issue to try to black mail aid and reduced sanctions. Why without nuclear weapons all the north would have to give up its its death camps and its enslaved social structure and that they certainly don't want to give up! Without the camps and enslavement their ability to control their people would be greatly reduced. The leaders of North Korea only care about surviving as leaders of North Korea, nothing else matters to them. All the people could shrivel up and die as long as they continue to live the good life, they worry like hell that the very people they crushed and starved into submission will someday come for vengeance. So they can't give up enslaving the people so they create an issues they can "give up" like nuclear weapons, in trade for aid. Aid that will ultimately be used to maintain their position first and foremost, and if it betters the people, they don't care. The best solution for the USA is to press on with sanctions, and ignore North Korea as much as possible, don't give them any attention. China will of course do what it can to keep the North from collapsing but won't provide much more in aid as the north has become such a liability for them that they don't want to encourage the north either. As 'punishment' the USA will just have to arm Japan and South Korea with anti-missile systems... china will definitely not like that. North Korea will not be collapsing any time soon. Alternatively china could put sanctions on the north killing off its final life line, but if the north collapses the south with take over and thus a USA ally and even USA forces will be up against china's border. But without North Korea the USA really does not have much of a reason to be there, china could offer a closed door deal where the USA would agree to downsizing its bases in Asia in trade for china finally chocking North Korea. This alternative idea is certainly not in the best interests of USA or Chinese defence contractors. North Korea is a great selling point for allied defence contractors. It encourages sell of weapons to south korea and japan, encourages Japan to militarized again, without naming the true enemy: China. China is an odd enemy to have, what enemy depends and you and you them for hundred of billions of dollars in trade? Yet Allied defence contractors feed on the fact China will likely replace the USA as world supreme superpower, have already over taken Japan economically. China is going to come for territory, build bases on it, take over natural resources of other countries! At the same time Chinese defence contractors are focused on getting china a military of size worthy of the world's next supreme superpower, so that they can claim and control all the ocean territory they previously could only lay verbal claim to, and even start putting Chinese bases around the world like the existing supreme superpower (USA) does. Of course this is silly: china and present push its self around economically, without having the build up its military. But as long as the USA has a gluttons military they want one as well. As can be seen these defence contractors are working together, or more accurately working off each other, even though there is no sane reason in today's post cold war economy to continue cold war military and colonial philosophy. North Korea is a reason, though not sane, to do just that.
You know the US arguing about countries having Nukes is the height of hypocracy. How many do YOU have and you are still building MORE as was shown by Bush getting funding for "bunker buster" nukes to use not as part of MAD, but ACTUALLY use on the battlefield
Talk by a bush administration of creating nuclear bunker busters was just that, talk. The USA has not used nuclear weapons since WW2 and the closes they did ever get to using nuclear weapons "on the battlefield" (korean war) they didn't, in fact they fired the general must amendment in using them. In short the USA is not likely to start launch nukes any time soon. North Korea on the other hand is not exactly as predictable. More so the total number of US nukes has been dropping, not going up, over the last 2 decades. "The disclosure comes less than a month after President Barack Obama unveiled a new policy restricting the U.S. use of nuclear weapons and signed a landmark arms reduction accord with Russia. Obama, who won a Nobel Peace Prize in part for his vision of a nuclear free world, has also renounced the development of new atomic weapons."
You are still showing yourself to be a jerk by not showing proof of your stupid statement about the South wanting to invade the North. And no, I'm never going to let you off the hook until you publicly admit that you lied and just made that up from within your own twisted little mind.
Give it a rest, Asguard, you already made a fool of yourself with your first post about this. You never did reply to my question about how MANY of those were ever made. I had hoped you'd be smart enough to research it some more, but as usual, you failed at that also.
Im sorry how EXACTLY do you expect me to get what is more than likely clasified infomation? are you suggesting I hack into the pentagon?
Many South Koreans have no interest in of invading the north, in fact many are grateful its remains separate, the cost of reunification would be far FAR greater then west and east Germany for example. None, zip, nada, it was a cancelled project. http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/new nuclear weapons/bnkrbstrrprt.html I guess you could claim that they did secretly develop it off the books, but then again you could also claim that the USA is hiding aliens and has a weather control machine as well, and would have the equal or more evidence to back those latter claims.
You don't have to be sorry - try being honest instead. If the things had actually been built, and especially USED, there would be lots of info out there! Why can't you try being a bit brighter like ElectricFetus who DID look and found something????
all she found was that nuclear weapons were not used again after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Once however is enough. After all the democracy knocking on the doors, bringing "freedom" with bullets to civilians, is quite appalling method of the country who denies the right to defend to others. Look in the mirror hard and realize what you have been fighting for...the life you lived for the sake of corporations rooting their capital in foreign resources, enslaving their citizens. Guess what North Korea does not want? That which had been done to other countries surrounding it. It is fear and willingness to defend its citizens. A start towards the right direction: http://www.kicc-dprk.org/
Because nothing has ever been moved into a secret program. Who cares if they haven't been used, North Koria hasn't used them either and nor has Iran. However the US AT BEST not only explored AND FUNDED ways to get around the NPT but also supports Israil in ITS weapons programs, no santions against them. Its hypocracy
There is a difference between countries which chant death to their enemies as if it was a national anthem verse the USA and Israel. If Iran and North Korea build a nuclear arsenal then Saudi Arabia/Iraq and Japan/South Korea are going to want nukes to keep their belligerent enemies in check. The possibility of nuclear war increases greatly. Oh but the USA has nukes so everyone should have nukes is that what your saying? The present administration has been trying to bring down the number of nuclear weapons across the world, including the USA own stockpile, Oh but the USA used nukes before so its a hypocrisy? By your logic if a murderer says murder is wrong he is being hypocritical and thus he is wrong, murder is good.
The not-so-subtle difference in your first sentence is lost on Asguard. And then he has the nerve to talk about hypocrisy!!! He wants ALL nations, regardless of stability, to have nuclear arms so they will be "equal". Yet, when talking about gun control, does NOT want everyone to own one so they could also be equal. Poor, poor Asguard! He cannot even see that his logic is the height of hypocrisy...
Lee_Myung-bak, the current president of South Korea is in strong opposition against the "Sunshine Policy" which states in its 2nd principle: "The South will not attempt to absorb the North in any way". Lee_Myung-bak is thus indeed pursuing the absorption of the North Korea, by firstly as he stated for his government, " “Following the surrender of nuclear weapons..." link: http://www.dailynk.com/english/read.php?cataId=nk00400&num=2561 He does not just want the halt of the program, he wants South Korea to "surrender". Now grandpa, weasel your way out of this...or will you call E.F. for help? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! President Lee with President Obama, following the U.S. president's "bringing freedom with bullets" tactics.
Me? "Weasel out?" Wow - you are some piece of work! Not only is your reading comprehension at about a 4th grade level, punk, you still continue to LIE to maintain your stupid position on the South. No where in that article is ANY indication that the South wants to invade the North!!!!!!!! What are you anyway? Some kind of fruitcake shill for the North??
North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship! They shouldn't be allowed to exist, much less defend themselves. It doesn't have citizens, it has prisoners.
