No such a thing as premature ejaculation!

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  1. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    You position is based on your opinion on what is a "decent argument" lets look over what has happend so far:
    1. You state that PE does not exist, and imply that is it term used for misandry
    2. I argue that it is an appropriate term for specific situations,
    3. You fail to deny those situation exist, you come up with alternative terms for PE
    4. I explain those are not valid alternatives and are either impractical or do not fit the situation.
    5. You declare victory.

    Your logic is lacking.
     
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  3. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Didn't I point out the morbidness of such a definition? You could never do anything with my questions and examples...
     
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  5. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    And from a more personal less scientific standpoint. Even a guy climaxes in my hand only a minute or so into things that might be a little to early even from a strictly babymaking standpoint. Because then i would have to fertilize myself.
     
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  7. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    You could never do anything with my questions and examples...
     
  8. EmmZ It's an animal thing Registered Senior Member

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    I've read this thread. From what I can gather some guy who's shit in bed wants to lay blame on women, yet again, for their own shortcomings. Sex isn't about procreation alone. If a man ejaculates in a donkey too quickly does that mean it's nature's way of making little donkey/human hybrids more effectively and quickly? This is a load of twisted, bad data that functions to propagate misinformation and is not particularly well researched.

    I, personally, would rather have sex over too quickly than have to suffer the agony of him gyrating away for hours hoping it'll happen any minute now.
     
  9. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Unfortunatelly, you didn't get it. It is women who blame their lack of orgasm on guys, when they act, well, naturally. They have retarded female orgasm, which is actually also natural and only retarded from the males' POV, nevertheless some try to classify it as premature, although for the objective
    of ejaculation the female orgasm is IRRELEVANT.

    It is a simple missconcept based on not understanding nature. Since there is no PE in gay sex, there is also no PE in donkey sex. Quite simple....

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    The only time when we can actually talk about PE is when the penis doesn't make it to the vagina before shoting the load, but that could be bad timig or too much excitement or foreplay. The obvious cure is retry.

    For the mathematically challenged, you can not call something an illness or not the norm when it exists for the majority. Most men finish fast, get used to it, that is how they were programed. End of story....
     
  10. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Let's see if you ladies get this:

    See, that is how NATURE works. As the female stays horny, she keeps copulating with multiple males (each finishing fast) and the season ends when finally she got enough load of sperm, thus higher chance of impregnation... I know this doesn't sound as romantic as "hold me for a while afterward", but such is life. Watch sometimes dogs and cats in heat....
     
  11. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Syzygys,

    You fail to believe it possible for man to train them self to extend the time before ejaculation, or to try to appease women. You also keep using appeal to nature fallacies, just because something is some way does not make it right or unchangeable, it's natural to oppress women, by your stance you agree with that. Most of all many men can last longer then 5 min, they are better then you, "End of story".

    The sexual practices of each animal are different, if humans were like dogs and cats we would have testicles 3 times larger as testicle size is directly proportional to how polygamous the female of the species is. Although we don't have balls as small as harem gorillas, we don't have balls as big swinging chimpanzees.
     
  12. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, boy, or should I say oh girl!

    I don't. I have no problem with either, but this thread is not about that.
    This thread is calling a natural act abnormal just because it doesn't fit certain expectation.

    First, there is no such a logical fallacy as appealing to nature. There is appealing to authority though.

    Second, appealing to nature is perfectly NATURAL, when we are talking about BIOLOGY.

    For fuck's sake, don't get hung up on that 5 mins! See this is a perfect example that you don't understand analogies and examples. In my example of Jon having a wife and misstress, the 5 mins part was IRRELEVANT! What was relevant that the same guy with the same ejaculation time can have PE or not depending on the wife's and mistress' orgasm time.

    Your obvious not understanding of this simple example questions the value of debating you further...

    OK, so you are questioning my analogy to animals. Guess what? Humans are polygamous by NATURE. Actually both males and females. Just because our legal system prefer monogamous relationships, that doesn't change human nature and preference.

    You ladies FAILED in this thread:

    Biological failure: Not understanding how humans work.

    Semantically: The whole issue comes down to definition. When the definition is wrong, the phrase doesn't apply.

    Mathematically: When the majority of a group acts the same way, that is the standard, the AVERAGE and not the abnormal. If 3/4 of men comes fast, that is normal.

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    Logically: Can't make a decent logical argument.

    I should call this an EPIC failure....

    P.S.: According to your definition, when making love to a woman who physically can't have an orgasm or nymphomanic, 99% of males have PE, which is clearly bullshit....The definition of PE has to do with LOCATION and not with the ability to please woman.

    P.S.S.: I could make you climax 100 times without taking my pants of or even having an erection. Really....
     
  13. EmmZ It's an animal thing Registered Senior Member

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    Aww, cute.
     
  14. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

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    You're wrong. this thread is about making up another term for "shit in bed" when it's not needed.
     
  15. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Syzygys,

    Murder is natural act, people naturally kill each other, it keeps population down, should I not call it abnormal or wrong?

    No appeal to nature? You don't push on hyperlinks do you?

    We don't call man that can perform for the long haul PE if their partners don't reach climax, in those cases we DO see the problem as on the partners side not the mans, you seem to think that every time a man finishes before a women its called PE?

    Humans are serial monogamous, not often polygamous, why do we not have the 1to10 sex ratio of polygamous seals? Why don't we just drop are babies when the next breeding season hits like polygamous animals do? Your argument is based and assumptions not evidence, worst of all it try to use biology to dictate social standards, that not only foolish but dangerous.

    You failed to distinguish between egalitarianism and feminism and then erroneously assume your opponent must be female.
    You failed to listen to anyone else's argument and simply declare victory
    You failed to understand the usage of a definition.
    You failed to make a logical argument, as it based on fallacies.

    P.S: I specifically stated that the definition does not qualify if the women can't achieve orgasm.

    P.S.S: Really? Some gay sex trick? tempting from a purely pleasure point of view , but I'm a 0 on the kinsay scale.
     
  16. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    There can be premature ejaculation in gay couples. What part of its psychological do you not get? It is not an illness, there is no medical compontent. It is only diagnosable if it causes distress. Like maybe your partner doesn't mind the fact that you always climax first, but if it bothers you because you want your sack sessions to last longer then its still premature ejaculation regardless of what your partner thinks. It has to bother the person ejaculating nothing/no one else matters. If it doesn't bother you then you don't have premature ejaculation.
     
  17. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Sure it's a psychological conditions, but how does that make it an invalid term?
     
  18. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Aha!

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    You expressed exactly the same feeling what the idiot who coined the term PE felt. I don't have a problem if you call guys shit in bed (supposed you acknowledge that plenty of women are just as bad) but please don't create artifical "sexual problems" for men when it doesn't exist....
     
  19. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    Its not an invalid term. Perhaps premature is the wrong word to use, but it is what it is. It does exist.
     
  20. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Correct, why murder is abnormal? We can start another thread on that one... I don't have a problem with murder, I do have a problem with murdering the wrong person.

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    The problem is, who is to decide?? Who is going to decide that 20 minutes performance is fine, but 15 mins is insufficient? That's why I call that definition is plain bullshit, because it is completely subjective.

    On the other hand even a kid can decide if the penis made it into the vagina or not....

    I don't but again, who is to decide what performance is acceptable or average and what isn't??

    I beg to differ knowing history and human nature. You can look at cheating as polygamy. But this is a sideissue really...

    In the history of mankind we have been polygamous longer than monogamous. There you have it, the evidence.

    My opponent's gender has no bearing on the matter.

    Because I tend to recognize a logical argument and I haven't founbd any.

    I understand the usage and I don't agree with it, thus this thread.

    Really? How about this: The definition of premajurity of male ejaculation shouldn't be based on the female's ability to orgasm, because the 2 have nothing to do with each other...(or very little)

    And before you start to argue against this, most females achieve clitoral orgasm, thus there is no need for a hard penis, and even without a hard penis a female can be brought to climax. There you have it.

    And that is the problem again, that the definition is female-dependent...As compared to MY definition, which is LOCATION-dependent.
     
  21. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Depends on the definition. Is a hard dick needed to climax for the partner? I doubt, thus no PE...

    By the way I don't get what's wrong with MY definition? Isn't that clearer, more objective then the bullshit definition? Penis in place, mature, penis not in place, premature. End of story.

    Now physiologically I would only talk about PE if the man (most likely older or having some kind of bad physical condition) has a very quick erection time and an almost immediate ejaculation. Let's say between getting hard and ejaculating the time is only 20 seconds. AND he wouldn't be able to recover in a relative short period. In this case I would acknowledge that he does have PE, but this is very rare and certainly not 25-40% among men...

    Although I still could make the argument that if that very short period of time is still sufficient for him to put it in, than it isn't premature...

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  22. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Hey, I just thought of something! There is such a thing as FEMALE PE!!! Isn't life wonderful???

    Joan is a very naughty girl and she can climax incredibly easily. Her boyfriend is Jim, who is a bit slower than most men, when it comes to climax. So after starting screwing, Joan gets her orgasm almost right away. The problem is, that after 1 orgasm, she doesn't like to be touched or fucked. Thus poor Jim is left there with his hard dick, because Joan has premature ejaculation!!!

    See how silly it sounds when we are judging Joan based on Jim's expectation??? It is not premature, they are just DIFFERENT!!!
     
  23. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Syzygys,

    Most women don't experience a refractory period or ejaculate, like men do, if a women experiences a refractory period it would not be PE, but something else.

    Most definitions are subjective, get use to it. "penis goes into the vagina" does not describe all the circumstances and variety of situation people have during intercourse, has the use of more phrase then just that.

    Cheating is not polygamy, if it was almost every animal would be polygamous. Cheating is simply cheating, through out all of human history humans have been tribal with extensive support from both parents in raising the child, usually matriarchal with the male leaving after reaching "adulathood" and entering anther tribe usually for life once partnering, this has been the usually social set up since the dawn of man until the development on sedentary agriculture.

    If your opponents gender has nothing to do with it don't call 'em "ladies".

    The definition of PE should be if a man and his partner see a problem in which a man achieves orgasm in a unreasonably short amount of time. A location depended definition does not provide coverage for what PE describes now, you have to describe that with a new term, and so far the terms you give I don't think anyone would want to use.
     

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