No such a thing as premature ejaculation!

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  1. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

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    Syzygizz and cutsie are both right. It only applies in the "sex for pleasure" sense. If you're trying for children it's usually non issue.

    I think that the numbers are too high, though, on the percentages. There are many creative ways around the problem (some have been mentioned) and only someone with zero imagination wouldn't figure it out. And who wants to have sex with that guy anyway?
    I think it's correct to say that a womans ability to reach climax is the real issue because she's not getting off and she's unhappy.
    My advice, give her a dildo and have her call you away from the ball game when she's ready (unless it's in overtime).
     
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  3. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    This is the same DSM-IV that before 1973 called being gay a mental disorder.
    Mind you I am arguing logically and semantically against the "established" definition, that it simply doesn't make sense. What if it does causes problems in the relationship, but not because of the male being FAST but the female being SLOW???

    My problem with this definition is 2-fold:

    1. The determining factor is not the ejaculating person, but the ejaculatee...
    2. It is not a scientic definition but a couple-dependent, meaning for each couple the definition is different....

    My definition is the correct: penis in vagina, ejaculation is NOT premature. End of story... One simple, physical, objective, easy to determine characteristic. See?

    It is like saying smoking causes distress only if other people object to it...

    Except limp dick....
     
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  5. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    You think "premature" ejaculation" is a degrading phrase over "Insufficient love-making technic", "Lazy lover's syndrome", "Selfish sexasshole", and "Retarded female orgasm"? I would think that is the nicest of terms, can you imagine a guys saying "yep I'm a Selfish sexasshole"? I can imagine a guy saying "Retarded female orgasm" even if his partner can reach climax in 5min flat but its a year to long for him, always blaming others for your own inadequates.

    Many guys would like to ejaculate and then roll over and sleep, hence the "premature" if they do so before they finished the women off.

    clusteringflux,

    I don't think it is the women fault if she can reach climax and quickly, if the guy is unreasonably quick its his fault, and sex toys have their limits, nothing beat a high quality snuggle. Once a women experiences that she going to have a high bar for you the measure up to.
     
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  7. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

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    It goes back to the reason you're having sex. Period. If it's to make her climax, who cares if you ejaculate once or ten times in the process? You're not going to pass out before the job is done. Again, what's the motivation?
     
  8. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    By the way I missed an argument earlier. One could say that the object of lovemaking is this or that, depending on the situation, but we can agree that the object of ejaculation (and that is the issue here) is making babies. So the definition of PE should be dependent on if the object of babymaking can be achieved or not and not on the partner's pleasure....

    Here is another good example of the sexist nature of the current definition:

    Jon married but he also has a mistress. His average ejaculation time (ET) is 5 minutes. For his wife to achieve orgasm, he need to keep it up to 10 minutes, but his mistress can have an orgasm just under 3 minutes.

    So obviously, Jon has a PE with his wife but not with his mistress, although his ET hasn't changed, only his partner. Now that is what I call bullshit!!!
    But if we use my and correct definition, Jon is just doing fine...
     
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  9. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

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    I agree. It's a bogus term unless it means you can't even get your pants off first.
     
  10. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Excuse me, but it is the females, who are blaming their slow orgasms on the guys. Try to catch up ladies! His orgasm is his problem her orgasm is hers.

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    Now, here is a better name I came up with:

    -- Sexual incompatibility syndrome

    This could be used in couple's counselling and not blaming either party...
     
  11. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

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    Here's a question. What's the percentage of couples that climax together every time they have sex?

    I'd say it's great when it happens but hardly something to be considered normal. Is that anyone's 'fault'?
     
  12. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    In case no one has mentioned it yet, a woman's orgasm helps her get pregnant, so lasting longer and bringing her to orgasm shortly after you do IS an evolutionary benefit.
     
  13. John99 Banned Banned

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    I have found that, personally, after 6-12th time it takes longer.
     
  14. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    You would call 5min slow? If a guy takes 30 seconds is it unreasonable to say that he is going to be blaming almost all women for "their" problem of not achieving orgasm before he does? That like blaming a child for not being able defend them selves against a fully grow adult: "its your fault for being small!".

    "Sexual incompatibility syndrome" sounds like a new ways of saying your gay: "Sorry ladies I've got sexual incompatibility syndrome (SIS)".
     
  15. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    clusteringflux,

    I'm not asking for simultaneous climax (which is a thing of wonder!) but simply that everyone gets their cake in a excellent creamy icing manner. Both partners should discuss before hand and even during copulation on how to optimize it, even so it is the guys higher concern to please the women, not the women's concern to please the guy as most man can get what they want with ease. What the womens concern? well how the joke go:

    HOW TO IMPRESS A WOMEN:
    COMPLIMENT HER, RESPECT HER,HONOUR HER, CUDDLE HER, KISS HER, CARESS HER, LOVE HER, STROKE HER,TEASE HER, COMFORT HER, PROTECT HER, HUG HER, HOLD HER, SPEND MONEY ON HER, WINE AND DINE HER, BUY THINGS FOR HER, LISTEN TO HER, CARE FOR HER, STAND BY HER,SUPPORT HER,HOLD HER,GO TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH FOR HER,

    HOW TO IMPRESS A MAN:

    show up naked, bring food.
     
  16. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    So does having multiple partners.

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    It was an example. I could have made it whatever minutes, that wasn't the point for fuck's sake...

    By the way going back to One raven's point, in nature, if the female is still in heat after one bull finished her, there will be another bull to have his way, and this will continue as long as the female is statisfied (and most likely impregnated)

    The whole point of this thread is that there is a too high expectation for men, which also against nature. It is perfectly normal to come fast, as long as the penis is in the right location, because that is how it was INTENDED!!!

    I looked up a Youtube video on PE, and the doctor mentioned that PE is the #1 dysfunction for males! My hairy ass!!!

    I could say and would be right that retarded female orgasm is the #1 female sexual dysfunction because they need so much time to come!!! Here is my philosophical question:

    Instead of trying to slow guys down, why don't we just try to speed ladies up???
     
  17. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

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    I agree. You and Syzy are talking about different things, though.

    I think you know that.
     
  18. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    I actually came up with a cure for PE. It is simple and very effective:

    More sex. Or a quick blowjob before the main act. For some reasons this suggestion never made it to the medical journals...

    Hubby has PE? Suck him off before going to the movies and when you come home, he will be lasting and all loving. Or if not at least he won't mind the chickmovie...
     
  19. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    It also against intention or nature for humans to live to old age, to not be riddled with parasites, to have a more then adequate diet, to not kill each other, etc. What was intended was for us to live short painful lives as nothing more then talking animals, living off nature, but then we had to fuck it all up by making agriculture, by artificially selecting crops and livestock to benefit us and not nature! The we started mining and building things over what was natural! Then we committed the worst crimes against nature, we made laws and morality in which we could not do the natural things of killing other non-related people but had to respect them and treat them an equals, and even treat the female gender as an equal, dam it women were intended for making babies and collect roots, nothing more! OH THE HORROR,T-H-E H-O-R-R-O-R!, HOW WE HAVE FORSAKEN NATURE! WE MUST GO BACK TO WHAT WAS INTENDED!!! :m:

    Many women don't need a lot of time to cum, but if you pair them with a premature ejeculator it's the women's fault?
     
  20. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    orgasm disorder in women is the one of the most common sexual disorders in women. Premature ejactulation is easy to fix... femal orgasm disorder is not. That is why in order to be diagnosed you have to see a therapist who uses their descretion. If your situation is more focused on the man climaxing too soon then it's premature ejactulation if its more so focused on the woman who probably doesn't climax at all then it is female orgasm disorder or possibly several other underlying sexual problems. Like all psychological disorders it is a case by case basis. And according to the NHLS the average amount of time that men prefer to engaged in intercourse is 2-5 minutes. The average amount of time for women was also 2-5 minutes. Everything else are just myths and stereotypes. I don't know if that's true or not though I didn't go around timing people myself.
     
  21. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    So I take no new arguments against mine. That's what I thought. Established definition is thrown out the window as bullshit....

    P.S.: Thread is still not cesspooled.

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  22. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Your have to disprove counter arguments yet you declare victory?

    It will be in the cesspool eventually.
     
  23. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, you NEVER showed any decent argument... No good definition,no good deffence of established definition, no nothing..
     

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