'No evidence' for extraterrestrials, says White House,....

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  1. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    It doesn't matter. . . that cat is already out of the bag. Most people that have done the research can't be bullshitted anymore. We have something called the FOIA.

    Official ET Disclosure? --> "NSA Document Admits ET Contact" By Kevin W. Smith

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    "On October 21, 2004, the NSA approved for release to the public a portion of their NSA Journal Vol. XIV No. 1. This is a report of a presentation given to the NSA by Dr. Howard Campaigne regarding the decoding of extraterrestrial messages that had been received “from outer space”. Apparently, these messages had actually been received via the Sputnik satellite, but no one had any idea how to decode them at the time."

    Here is the link to the now unclassified NSA report if anyone is interested. . . it really isn't that interesting, and it's pretty hard to read b/c it is so old. I don't know if it is the police state we live in, my server, or what. . . but some of these documents I have a real hard time with, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.

    Here's the NSA site I found it at. . .
    http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/ufo/index.shtml
    And here is the document. . .
    Key to the Extraterrestrial Messages by H. Campaigne

    There are some other interesting documents in there I would like to read. . . but for some reason, the NSA won't let me have all the data in them. . . . :scratchin:
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    UK Guardian: FBI Destroyed Many UFO Reports
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/11/fbi-destroys-ufo-reports

    Yahoo News UK: FBI Documents Indicate UFO Landings
    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/38/20110411/tod-fbi-documents-indicate-ufo-landings-045b8e8.html

    Washington Post: FBI Releases Roswell Memo About Three Bodies of Human Shape
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/fbi-releases-roswell-memo-about-three-bodies-of-human-shape/2011/04/11/AF58CTKD_blog.html?fb_ref=NetworkNews
     
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  3. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    When you google Dr. Howard Campaigne, all you get are conspiracy and UFO web sites.
     
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    maybe the ww2 veteran died before geocities started offering websites for all and sundry?
     
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  7. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, well, he worked for the NSA. . . .

    That's a Red herring. Nice Appeal to ridicule. Totally irrelevant.
     
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    whats interesting is that most of the world is opening up to the reality of UFO and extraterrestrials but the US doesn't

    why is this ?
     
  10. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    Appeal to popularity fallacy. Thus far there has been no credible evidence that any UFO was of extra terrestrial origin.
     
  11. river

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    ahh... I see

    so hence the US doesn't open the books on UFO's and extra-terrestrials because " thus far there is no credible evidence that any UFO was of extra-terrestrial origin "

    well then any evidence they have , should be open to the public then , whats the problem
     
  12. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    Did you not read the NSA reports? The FBI memo? The book by the NASA scientist? Or look over the Hubble space telescope images that reconfirmed his findings? Are you purposefully being obtuse?

    The onus to disprove disclosure is on you now.

    Here's the Bibliography for Dr. Norman Bergrun's research for his book, that Gustav was so kind to provide the link for us. Perhaps you would like to "debunk" this seminal work for us?

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    Bibliography*
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  14. Rhaedas Valued Senior Member

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    If this is true then the rest of the world should have much better evidence of said reality.

    You can say it's out there. Doesn't make it true. Extra-ordinary claims require...you know the rest. There's plenty of websites and Youtube videos and all that...they definitely emphasis the U in UFOs. The good ones, anyway. Some are plain sad in claiming they are the final proof of extraterrestrials, having just as much credibility as blurs on a night camera means there's ghosts.
     
  15. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Indeed, if one wants to take Guy Hottels informant at face value, or even many more declassified memorandums, there seems to be a contradiction with the White House statement.

    I think the White House should have stated, ''There was no tangible proof of aliens visiting Earth.''
     
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    lol.

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    I think all the documented evidence proves they have had "tangible proof," they a liars, and they are unwillingly to produce what they have for public inspection.

    On why they would do this? There are literally scores of papers, documentaries, and whistle blowers explaining why they would do this. Usually it comes down to money, control, and power.
     
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    What makes you think the Whitehouse was aware of this tangible proof?

    I am aware there is a very large possibility that alien life could have visited this planet. But I am also under the impression, from my own investigations, that the shadow governement which actually runs this operation is not your standard group of professionals. In fact, I doubt the US governement in many of its channels are even aware of the UFO phenomenon, or how much ''evidence'' is really there. Those who have the ''tangible proof'' maybe few and far between, acting illegally within their own powers.

    I doubt the president is aware of this

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    You just need to see the efforts of past presidents to try and make the valuable information avaliable under the freedom acts.
     
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    Well, no one needs to convince me any way. I have dozens of memorandums which contradict the White House Statement.
     
  19. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    The 'problem' could be one Government faculty (the Air Force) having data about another faculties (NSA) secret missile launches/spacecraft.

    That data is not for public consumption, but it doesn't mean the Govt are covering up extra-terrestrial visitation at all.
     
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    Not directly. Indirectly there is plenty of evidence to suggest ET has been here visiting Earth. There are numerous statements from officials one could qoute, numerous memorandums from top officials who state things completely out of the ordinary and by no means able to be washed away with conventional explanations, like missile launches.
     
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    @Mister --

    Such as what, exactly?
     
  22. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Oh there is loads. I can type many up for you if you want.

    There are countless memorandums from previously top secret classified documents purporting to ''alien visitors'' there are also statements from top secret officials who working in the Government channels throughout the last 60 years who have testified to the existence of either UFO's as a technology more advanced than our own, or directly testifying to the existence of aliens.

    I could type plenty up for you, if you wanted. You'd save me a great deal of time however if you could just take my word for it.
     
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    @Mister --

    Yes, links would be lovely.

    And these "memorandums" and "documents" are verified to be genuine, right? Because I'd like to see that documentation too.

    Shoot, one thing I can't do. Links please.
     

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