Newton's pebbles

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  1. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    With salad like that, how can anyone tell what you mean? And why should they try?
     
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  3. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Accretion would fit in much more nicely

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    what is the mechanism of accretion then, that have the planets come together in this progression of doubling orbits, with spacings independent of mass (Earth , small/ Jupiter big), when it can be so easily produced by harmonics of vibrations? I am suggesting only a process that controls accretion, resonance controlled accretion. Let us see how the planetary systems we now study, correlate spacings vs star vibrations. Even if my suggestion is totally off the mark, , it looks like a doubling of wave length. if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck,--
    take it sentence by sentence, or ignore the details but look at the big picture, and the very rare alternate theory, or model, has turned into a mainstream work horse. Even Newton's pebbles, and apples have seen some further polishing. or?
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    OK, yeah, I have to agree with Dr. Toad.
     
  8. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    the sun, which comprises 99.9 % of the solar system mass, is said to ring like a bell, wobble like gelantine, is bubbling with periodic activity. , convection cells, it projects gravity waves, magnetic, light and particles into the planetary field. It overwhelms all other influences, and might have even more so in the past, when accretion happened. Occam's razor suggests that this overwhelming energy would be the primary source of resonance caused spacing, and the link with "c" shows it in the orbits. Dont worry about the syntax, the salad dressing, refute the meat.
     
  9. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    The meat you meant is Spam.
     
  10. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    What is the mechanism of accretion? Gravity.

    What accounts for the spacing? Who knows? The Bodes law thing only looks kind of good out to a certain point. It has been posited that maybe the missing planet(s) helps explain the Kuiper belt. Vibrations being the explanation hardly seems the most like explanation. Not knowing something does make anything you make up more likely.

    Didn't one of the ancient astronomers go in the same direction that you are going with music notes?
     
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    What missing planets? the missing planets are below Venus, and near the Kuiper belt there is one planet to many (according to Bode), namely Neptune and he is one of the keys to the music of the disks.
     
  12. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    No, the fact the sun acts in this way tells you only about the sun, which is a dense and massive astronomical object. Empty space - or empty space with a bit of dust in it - is not.

    "Overwhelming energy" is not what you need for a resonant vibration: what you need is a medium with elasticity, plus something that reflects a wave from the ends, so that a standing wave can be set up. You have neither in this case. Please think this through.
     
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  13. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    nebel, Are you trolling or just stupid? I haven;t the patience.
     
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    Nebel's Comment: There are other ways that interference patterns emerge, one is, that two or multiple sources of pulsations have their spreading waves meet again and again. The Sun has such. Standing waves can be produced in space. think of the radio navigation systems in WW2. It is also thought that the 160 minute wavelength is of external origin, which would give you the multiple source standing interference generation. A static wave can even exist in gravity, think of the stationary tidal bulges (seen from the moon) that ~ are produced on the Earth surface, and that appears as a moving wave to us, but is really always standing ~toward the moon. Conditions in the Sun, and definitely in the proto disk were different then today, the pattern we measure today might be only the ripples in the sand of former wave activity so to speak. The picture of the planetary orbits has all the hallmarks of a resonant system with a lower and upper limit and a 5 +octave + reach. awaiting to see more results in the field of gravity propagation, other planet/star systems for better answers, or better questions.

    Interference patterns are something else entirely: nothing to do with standing waves. But I give up. You are apparently determined to just go on talking out of your arse, interminably.
     
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    sorry, if I misunderstood, do not the reflections, - or waves from two sources in resonance create a pattern of standing waves? A closer analogy might be the arms of spiral galaxies, that are thought to be standing waves through which the matter of the galaxy streams and rotates. or? and resonances out of my posterior are an unfair definition of my intentions. I replied to your valid objections as best I could.
    PS: forget about the past. consider the periodic passing of the planets in these orbits, where they create wave-like slopes, tensions in spacetime, a pattern of standing waves, always happening in the same doubling, troubling distances from the sun, and in resonance.
     
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  18. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    Now you're just ripping off Shakespeare..

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  19. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    You are very versatile, from psychiatrist to literature critic. The theme of the thread is actually, astronomy & resonances, Herschel/ bode&bach.
     
  20. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I'm out.
     
  21. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    so you are out, because you can not refute the possibility that standing waves form from interference? from waves coming from at least two sources (not just reflections), can exist in the electromagnetic field, the gravitational field, is your chosen quietude then not tacit admission that these proposed possibilities could exist? The choices offered being narrowed by possible further discoveries?
     
  22. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    No, I am sure his is out because it is useless to argue with a crank. If you would have listened and thought about what he was saying I am also sure he would have remained.
     
  23. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    Origin, contrary to impression of my crankiness*, I started this thread to ferret out ideas on this undisputed orbital arrangement. I listen very carefully, and tried to steer him into areas where one of the possibilities of origin could be standing waves. Contrary to the ex-chemist's statements, there are more than just interference from reflections of the original wave train from the hard perimeter, (which the solar system does not have) to generate them. One other that I did not mention, was, that if an obstacle is put in the flow of the waves or the material flow, stationary waves will develop. I brought up the case of the stationary arms of Spiral Galaxies through which the rotating gas flows;-- surely that fitting analogy deserved a response rather than silence? or? * In one of the language I speak, krank, crank[y] really carries the connotation of men in white coats doing their job.
     

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