# New Windows 7 Professional I bought

Discussion in 'Computer Science & Culture' started by cosmictraveler, Mar 4, 2010.

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1. ### firdroirichA friend of The FriendsRegistered Senior Member

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Vista was a nightmare for programming hardware like arduino using 32bit software. Win7 seems to do it ok, but you have to download virtual xp .......and have a valid license for this 'feature'.

3. ### glaucontending tangentiallyModerator

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I love my XP.
Alas, what's compelling me to upgrade is the fact that my current mobo and configuration doesn't support a pci video card.
I do a lot of intensive photo editing work.. so...

5. ### Repo ManValued Senior Member

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Safe assumption you meant PCI-E video card. Yes, your upgrade options are severely limited by a motherboard that has an AGP rather than PCI-E slot. Though there are a few higher end AGP cards still available, the price to performance ratio is terrible (when compared to PCI-E cards) because of the low demand.

In that case, you are really best off moving to an entire new system. And to make the most of your new hardware, a 64 bit operating system. I can assure you the transition from XP to Win7 is very nearly painless. I was quite content with XP Pro, but I do like Win7 Pro slightly better.

7. ### cosmictravelerBe kind to yourself always.Valued Senior Member

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I like my Athelon 32/64 bit processor for it can be compatable with some 32 bit programs while running in the 64 bit mode. Now I just have to figure a way out of my AGP 512 Meg video card but alas I think I cannot without a new MOBO.

8. ### cosmictravelerBe kind to yourself always.Valued Senior Member

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My own 32 bit games work on the 64 bit OK. I fdid have to download a new TCP first however.

9. ### Stoniphiobscurely fossiliferousValued Senior Member

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I am enjoying WIN 7 Pro and a quad AMD 64 system thus far. Just Messing around for now though, as I am still setting it up. I have this AMD system and XP to use so there is no rush. I am heavy into photo and graphics...well, games too.

Gotta have a decent display and sound to stay engaged.

10. ### jonte92Registered Senior Member

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good for u stoniphi. i gotta crank up my 97

11. ### SyzygysAs a mother, I am telling youValued Senior Member

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So in plain English, they didn't work first....

12. ### SyzygysAs a mother, I am telling youValued Senior Member

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Give us a price first. For a good price anything can be enjoyable...

13. ### cosmictravelerBe kind to yourself always.Valued Senior Member

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Well some did and others did not. I'd say that about two thirds worked without and problems but the other third did have problems which were fixed pretty easy.

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I think I threw about $2k US at the new system thus far, but I went for some pretty solid stuff by way of hardware. I figure that system will have to last for a few years when I get done with it so I went with good stuff that was on sale right after the holidays when Micro Center was trying to clear the shelves. Not top of the line though, as I ain't a high roller, but not on the cheap either. I spend too much time on the computer not to have a nice system for day to day use. When my backup system died (toasted motherboard) I started putting my pennies aside for the new one. Since the old backup was a cheapo Tiger Direct special bundle, I figured to use this system for the new backup, as it is cobbled together from 3 fried ASUS motherboards and various parts from other systems. It is sorta old - AMD 64, AGP graphics card and 32 bit, so it is very slow - but it does have decent graphics and sound capacity yet and is OK for surfing and grunt work still. As for WIN 7 Pro....I can see the handwriting on the wall. MicroSoft isn't going to support XP any more. WIN 7 is supposed to be the next iteration of the XP line, so I thought I might as well bite the bullet and hork out the change to get that too, despite that is a few buckaroos. Lots of patches too, so far, but like I said earlier - it does seem to work well so far. 15. ### Windows7GuyRegistered Member Messages: 1 Hello cosmictraveler, Just a bit of FYI to understand the issues with 32-bit and 64-bit OS upgrades and later options that may or may not be available to you later: When upgrading from Windows Vista to Windows 7 you must upgrade the version currently installed within Windows Vista to the corresponding version in Windows 7. I.E. Windows Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 Home Premium; Windows Vista Business to Windows 7 Professional; and Windows Vista Ultimate to Windows 7 Ultimate. You also cannot upgrade a 32-bit operating system to 64-bit -- to migrate from 32-bit to 64-bit will require a custom install. The architecture between the two is too drastically different to allow such a change. To learn more about the differences between a 32-bit operating system and 64-bit please go to the following link: windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/32-bit-and-64-bit-Windows-frequently-asked-questions I hope that helps you out! You can also find lots of information on Windows 7 here in our Springboard website: technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/default.aspx Thanks again, John M. Microsoft Windows Client Support 16. ### glaucontending tangentiallyModerator Messages: 5,502 Hey Repo, Thanks for that. Yeah, that video card limitation is bugging me. My main problem now is in determining where to start. As I said, I can't make sense of how current chipsets are ranked. When system building, I always like to start from there, as that will determine the mobo, and from there, everything else. So my question to you, or anyone else, now is: where to start processor-wise? I cannot find any comparative matrix anywhere so as to be able to rank, and compare, Intel vs. AMD... 17. ### CheskiChipsBannedBanned Messages: 3,538 Windows 7 automatic drivers were supposed to be an upgrade from manual searching. It's not...it's a huge huge negative for Windows. I can't find a way to just simply install old drivers like you could in (even) Vista or earlier. 18. ### cosmictravelerBe kind to yourself always.Valued Senior Member Messages: 33,264 This is a fresh install on a new HD with nothing on it before. I still do not understand why I had to use a new TCP in order for it , the Win 7, to work properly. Other than that it seems to be just fine. So far so good. 19. ### SyzygysAs a mother, I am telling youValued Senior Member Messages: 12,671 My point is/was that for decent money it is easy to get a good system. Now you might need a good one for professional use, but nowadays even for 1K one can get a system that lasts 5-10 years easily... My desktop is 4-5 years old and except the extra memory added it still does the job. I think computers reached a level years ago that unless for special purposes they are way more powerful than what the average user needs. 20. ### Repo ManValued Senior Member Messages: 4,955 Glaucon, I upgraded to an Intel system about a year and a half ago. Asus P5Q Pro, C2D E8400, and four gigabytes of DDR2. For what I do, it's great. This is the first time I've ever chosen Intel over AMD. Of course, my system is already out of date. This comparison is already a little over a year old, but it's still fairly relevant. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclock-phenom-ii,2119.html All out performance, Intel is still in the lead. For a lower cost upgrade, AMD still has very good chips. Even the lower priced offerings from either will give you a substantial performance boost from any CPU/motherboard combination from five years ago. 21. ### John99BannedBanned Messages: 22,046 in that case you can run things in legacy mode. 22. ### Stoniphiobscurely fossiliferousValued Senior Member Messages: 3,113 Well, there is a new printer, wireless keyboard & mouse in that price, as well as a new set of 5.1 speakers, though I kept the big Dell monitor. Also had to replace a toasted (wired) router. I guess that I could have skipped on the fancy gaming case with the blue lights and extra fans, but it looked pretty cool and was also on sale for like$125....how could I pass that up? I went for 8 gigs of DDR2 as I often have a bunch of stuff open at once and don't like it when things get bogged down. Sometimes this system is way too slow any more.

When I spoke with a bunch of computer folks at the local U about Intel vs AMD, the consensus was that AMD was a bit more cost - effective. More bang for the buck. The backup system that crashed and burned on me was an Intel system, as is my sons, which he just built last summer - his first completely solo build.

The gut feel is that Intel is more for the office and AMD is more for games, sound and graphics.

23. ### John99BannedBanned

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wrong. same shit different wrapper. intel is better but amd isnt bad.