New Wikileaks Dump is Unconscionable

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by countezero, Nov 29, 2010.

  1. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member


    This is a US matter and has nothing to do with her government.

    As the article correctly stated, "The government has the right to get information, but that has to be done in a lawful way.", meaning the US government.

    In this case the Justice department wanted the info from Twitter on her Tweets from an American company.

    The Justice Dept is part of the Executive Branch, and so to get the info they couldn't just order Twitter to turn it over, they had to get a Judge from the independent Judicial Branch to sign off on their request that there was sufficient PROBABLE CAUSE that the information was needed in a criminal investigation.

    The Judicial Branch did so, but apparently in this case, gave her 10 days to provide evidence to the Judicial Branch that nothing in her Tweets was worth turning over to the Justice Dept, including appealing to a higher court.

    This is often done here, allowing the Judicial branch a closer look at what the Executive Branch (Police/Justice) claim is needed.

    If she makes a successful appeal, the Justice dept will never see her Tweets.

    Sort of a normal checks and balances in the way our Govt is structured.

    Everyone is used to the Police side suspecting everybody is guilty, but the Judicial side is what upholds our rights and also presumes innocence.

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  3. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

    And what proof is there of 'probable cause'? If such a claim were true then she wouldn't have the protection of her own government. The US has shown on more than one occasion that the DOJ has acted in ways that are not even in accordance with the bill of rights or constitution so why should anyone take the US governments word for it when we all have ample examples of their own fuck ups?

    What arrogance! It has nothing to do with her government? Are you suggesting that the only 'lawful way' are the US laws?

    Excuse me but where do you see 'probably cause'? Where is there proof of 'probable cause'? They do not give her 10 days to show there was nothing in her tweets, they give her GOVERNMENT ten days because it is what her government grants. Otherwise they would be fucked like US citizens who just go along with any go government mandate. Like I said not everyone in the world has turned their backs on the rule of law and civil rights

    Sorry but what about 'innocent before guilty'? You're supposed to have enough evidence on hand to demand what they are attempting to do here with another government.
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  5. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

    I don't know what probable cause they had, but the Justice dept had to show to a typically skeptical (or at least impartial) Judiciary that they did have probable cause. And it is exactly because you are presumed innocent that the Justice Dept has to show of probable cause.

    And apparently they had enough to get the subpoena, but apparently not so much that the Judiciary didn't just give the Justice dept the green light to get the data but instead gave her 10 days to appeal it and/or demonstrate to the Court that there wasn't anything incriminating in her Tweets, and thus not have to turn it over to the Justice dept.

    And at this point, no charges have been filed and so her government really has nothing to do with this. This is simply about access to Twitter info stored on a server that is sitting in the US, and that comes totally under US Law. Her Govt would get involved if the Justice Dept found something that would support an charging her with something and trying to extradite her.

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