New Politcal Ideology(s)

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Pollux V, Sep 6, 2001.

  1. Pollux V Ra Bless America Registered Senior Member

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    Well my first week of High School is almost over and I'm enrolled in two politics classes, so it's no surprise that I've heard or had a few ideas. Here they are.

    1)Democratic Representative Democracy
    Since I believe 'they' call this the information age why not put everyone's computers to use? The way this principle works is this: A common group of people elect a representative for congress, each one of legal age to vote. When they turn eighteen they are given a special code to use on the internet (an idea from a teacher of mine) to vote on what the representative they elected through the internet should vote. In short, if you could decide where that stem cell research money went to and you wanted to 'influence' your rep to vote for it simply log onto the internet, read through the information regarding the bill and the arguments that both sides have to say and then vote. I'm still not sure if it should be a law that reps should follow the majority of voters, but surely if they went against the majority it would lessen his/her chances of re-election.

    2)Pure Democracy
    Using the internet like above people present an infinite amount of issues to an internet congress where the same people of legal age (determined with a code, of course) vote on them at any time of day. It is no ones obligation to vote, simply their choice. At the end of the month unless a bill is urgent the results will be tallied and a law will be put into place. Of course military generals and heads of other parts of the government would stay at their posts for quick decisions (like in a war or riot, you couldn't vote on where to position troops or policemen). People would vote on EVERYTHING, and present EVERYTHING through the internet. I know this one needs some improvements so I won't try to regulate the criticism.

    3)Elective Dictatorship
    Debates taking too long? Too many corrupt politicians? Then why not vote on your dictator and allow him absolute power while ensuring that he follows the rules of a constitution that could be checked by a judicial court, which would somehow be checked on by the Dictator (I think 'Sovereign sounds much better). I think one last branch, the military, could be in place to eye both of the other branches and to keep them from getting out of hand. After all, one has to keep the military out of a dictators hands, because then it wouldn't be an elective dictatorship, it'd be an autocracy! If the military had to 'take down' a branch than the people would vote on another dictator immediately thereafter (I'm talking hours).

    4)Elective Ideology
    People vote once a century (or something) on what form of government they want then choose their leaders (or allow them to seize power) to make a constitution for them to follow for the next 'term' of an ideology.
     
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  3. Patman just one of the lost Registered Senior Member

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    Not much faith in the government!

    Shrike
    To tired to quote, but here it goes.
    1) Sorry I'll never completely trust a computer for security reasons. Also Sorry that Don't much trust a politician to care what a student has in mind, when there's lobbyist groups on either side of the fence.(both with more money than God.)
    2)Sorry I still just do not trust the government to do what is right for the people. Too easy to hack in and alter the out come.
    3)What if the dictator is one of the "corrupt politicians"???
    4)"SEIZE POWER" I for one will jump on this one. Give power to Sciforum.(minus the bible quoters. If an original though went through any of there heads it would by the quickest trip in North America.) But any way I think we need to get away from half if not more politicians and bring in some free thinkers. To do what's right. I would formally nominate the following from offices of some kind.
    wet1
    Thecurlyone
    Banshee
    Bowser
    Bebelina
    Tiassa
    kmguru
    Cris
    Deadwood
    KalvinB
    Elbaz
    samus
    Sorry no particular order but all could be an asset to humanity in general. Don't have to agree on everything but at lest they'll listen and offer their ideas. Opionated? YES BUT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED! OPINIONS FUELED BY PASSION NOT GREED! I'm off my soapbox

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    Besides I think a truck just pulled up in front of my house. Hummm.... Why are they wearing masks. Well type to you later.

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  5. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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  7. Bebelina Feminazi Messiah Valued Senior Member

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    New ideologys.

    First of all, thanks for the nomination!

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    I actually have plans to start a political party, but have not had the time to pursue that idea...yet.

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    I´m still working on the manifesto.

    I think new ideologys are popping up because it´s time for a change.
    A monumental change in the way people think and live their lives, and simply chose to exist. And therefore we must, in my opinion of course, adjust the way we organize physical matter to fit the new way of thinking.
    For example to acknowledge other lifeforms value. That all are equal , not only humans.

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  8. thecurly1 Registered Senior Member

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    Alright I'm an officer!

    Can I be the Hot Female Czar?
     
  9. Bebelina Feminazi Messiah Valued Senior Member

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    Sure!

    All are welcome to join! Make up your own titles , if you need them.

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  10. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    I am but a humble wanderer though I thank you for your consideration. I am indeed suprised at the direction this has taken. Quite suprised.

    I would not wish to lead a nation as the temptation is too great and I am but human. Nor do I think I am qualified. To lead people I can do, have done, still do. But I am a realist though at time it may not look like it.

    I believe that my real failing is in not understanding peoples motives throughly and without that you can not be a true visionary leader. I say this in all humility. I have not all the answers but do indeed enjoy that which I would lose if such were.

    That is of more value to me than "serving the people". A statement that has been the cover-up for more harm and wrongdoing and scheming than any of us can know the full extend of. So opinions by themselves will not do it. They only give you insight to where you could be going.

    Just a thought here.
     
  11. machaon Registered Senior Member

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    Beblina is right.

    Yes it is time for a change. But, unfortunally, most people do not even realize the change has already occured. We went from a free, democratic union of states to a federally run corporate oligarcy within just the last 100 years. It's biggest weapon is not war or the nuclear bomb or threat of imprisonment. It is the media, and the, blank unquestioning faces lit by the hazy blue light of a television.
     
  12. KalvinB Publicity Whore Registered Senior Member

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    The reason we keep the common man out for much of government is because the common man is clueless. The internet has done little to improve that.

    Sure the information is out there but good luck getting the dumbasses to drink the water. How many times to people here just blurt out mindless things having not done an ounce of research before speaking? People are lazy.

    As for switching governments every 100 years...change can't happen that quickly. I know we like to think we're smarter now but in reality we can look at history and see just how such a system would run.

    Having people vote on laws on an "as needed" basis, that's interesting but we don't have to actually make a change to test it out. Let's set up slashlaw.org

    We could set up a synthetic government and see how well it plays out in cyperspace. I'm sure someone here has a web-sever and knows how to set up the slash system. I have a server but it's not suited to run slash or MySQL. We could see what kinds of laws people propose and what ones would be passed.

    Ben
     
  13. Pzzaboy Sales Slave Registered Senior Member

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    If you don't see that our government is starting to get a little back-logged with greed, and completely pointless, right-violating laws, then you're the one who is clueless. If you've never been pissed at the government over a law, then you probably don't have too much of a social life.
     
  14. KalvinB Publicity Whore Registered Senior Member

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    "Never been pissed off about a law"

    What do you plan to do about it?

    The general population is too busy watching Monday Night Football wondering what the hell Dennis Miller is talking about to make an effort to "fix" the government.

    What laws do you really dislike and what do you suggest we do about them?

    Ben
     
  15. Pzzaboy Sales Slave Registered Senior Member

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    The laws that I personally have a problem with are the ones that keep me from doing things that would affect no other individual.

    Why is it that I can't smoke a joint before going to bed, would anybody be hurt or affected by that? I wouldn't even be hurt.

    People can get thrown in jail for some of the stupidest shit imagineable. IT's insane.

    And I can only think of one real feasible way to fix it. Revamp the goverment, I think we do have a good one, it's just that the people mess it up.
    If the goverment was a computer program the world would run pretty nicely in my opinion.
     
  16. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    Pzzaboy,
    The trouble with the government as a computer program is Who enforces it? Do you have the computer from on high mandating how the human shall act? So you trust the programers? Heck, for that matter do you trust the repair man?

    So everybody is fine with this concept. And along comes the mouse that gets into the circut board and chews up a few cards and wires. Or roaches in the thing.

    And would you trust a computer to have compassion? Would it be considerate of personal circumstances?
     
  17. spankyface Registered Senior Member

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    The underlying problems with an online system... it excludes people that are not adept at the internet (they do exist!). How will lower class families be supported? We would like to think we could keep the responsibility of looking after them, but as voters we're going to vote for our wants. We could set up internet stations.
    I think the moral constitution of the U.S. has become degraded. I haven't been around for the past 200 years, but from the decisions made, it seems that they made more sensible ones. It may be the current criticism that exists with all generations. Whether it's through this continual spotlight cast on us or some other cause, I don't feel that the stereotypical American is well represented by his morality or cultural sense anymore, only his influence as an American.
    What is it in this retrospect that's deceived me?
     
  18. Patman just one of the lost Registered Senior Member

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    Bowser good article.
    Either method sounds better than the existing system.'

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  19. Pollux V Ra Bless America Registered Senior Member

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    WOW!! Lotsa replies AND views, and I think I only posted this on friday. Awsome. Bebelina, I'll join ur political party but I wanna know what your basic views are, whether you're a liberal or conservative, etc. I am a liberal, and a natural leader (I hope thats not an overstatement). It's been my secret dream to become president and be one of the really great ones, like having my name carved into that mountain with all the other great presidents. I am a liberal, and I think the best way to solve the greed the plagues all three branches of the U.S government is simply to not pay the representatives, and have them be nameless people that exist throughout the internet rather than in one location (to protect against bribery by the corporation conglomerate). Sometimes I can get REALLY scared thinking about what our current president is up to. He's
    a) getting our old cold war buddies, the russians, pist by building that missile defense shield which or next president will hopefully disband. He might as well be launching a new cold war.
    b) I heard from someone (this might not be true) that bush turned off a global-warming monitor at the north pole. If that's true than its obvious that he doesn't need to be educated on global warming at all!
    c) that tax-cut thingy didn't do diddly-squat for the economy, and I can't wait till I'm in my forties (a long, long way off) and hear historians BRIEFLY mention the president as being the worst in history and barely taking control of a recession.
    I HATE PRO-BUSINESS REPUBLICANS!!! ARRRR!!! It doesnt matter what the evil companies do, whether it's dumping hundreds of tons of radioactive waste into resovoirs of small towns or buying up smaller ones and making others go out of business, as long as they have the REPUBLICANS in their ass-pocket they've got nothing to worry about! Does your company want to make cheap cribs for babies that collapse because they're put together by low wage workers who don't know the difference between their ass and they're mouth (heh)? Make sure you have a few thousand dollars to bribe the republicans with, because with republicans we can have a safer future for companies with enough money to bribe and kill.

    I am political. I am ian (yeah that is my real 1st name).
    I think we should call the party the 'Freedomists.' I just came up with that, and I'm not making the decisions so feel free to argue with me.
     

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