Netanyahu aide: Israel using Collective Punishment on children of Gaza because parent

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  1. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    Well we could always go by the stated intentions of say like hamas who stated goals is to make it to costly for Israel to mantain they strangle hold of palestine. based on atrrition a long used tactic. while their targeting might not be moral not terrorism because they fear caused is incidental and not the primary reason for it.
     
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  3. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    If they were making things costly for Israel without getting Israelis or their own citizens killed then I would probably agree that they were not engaged in terrorism. That unfortuantely (for Gazans) isn't the case.
     
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  5. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    terrorism requires fear to be used that kinda of why the root is terror. I understand given your support of Irael that you wish the governmental definition to stand but the simple fact that the definition is purely political and must give way to a more etymological based definition
     
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  7. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    I second PJs comment. Good solid post Bells. It should be read and ingested in the spirit offered. One of deep human empathy. :m:
     
  8. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    Definitions can be contorted to fit an agenda. I could argue that the IDF is a militia as well.
    Or can be recognized as an elected government and negotiated with.
    Sadly, yes there is. Your unfortunate state of denial won`t alter this.
    And it is Israelis very existence which offends HAMAS. So its time to TALK yes?
    As have and do many Jews who have a shred of humanity, and are opposed to oppressive and violent Israeli policies. Living in Israel does not alter realities. :m:
     
  9. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Whether that fear is intentional or a natural by-product isn't very important to me.
     
  10. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    So by your definition every violent act is terrorism.
     
  11. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Every intentional violent act exclusively against civilians for religious / political goals.
     
  12. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    that's not what your definition says though. your definition would make every violent act terrorism.
     
  13. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    To ask the question is to know the answer.
     
  14. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    If you see my definition and your statement as equal then there's not much I can do.
     
  15. Bells Staff Member

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    How lucky for you and Israelis that you have bomb shelters. What a shame that the Palestinians do not have that same luxury. Think of how many children would have been saved when the IDF decided to use phosphorus bombs on them if they had the same luxury as Israelis have in the form of bomb shelters.

    But hey, that would defeat the purpose of collective punishment, wouldn't it? I mean, kill their children in the hope they rise against Hamas. The irony is that you think you have a moral ground in supporting it.. Would be funny if it wasn't so god damn tragic.
     
  16. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Considering all the tunnels Palestinians have I'm sure the have "bomb shelters". Also bomb shelters would be death traps to white phosphorous, the fumes alone would kill.

    The fact children are "harmed" by a blockade doesn't mean much, get back to me when Israel is murdering children by crushing their skulls, or raiding Palestinian schools and shooting up kids, or when the Israelis advocate pushing them "into the sea".
     
  17. Bells Staff Member

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    So that is only when we should be concerned?

    Shooting them, killing them, denying them health care and an education, denying them their freedom to be children and kidnapping and beating them isn't quite enough?

    Thank you for your honesty. I guess it explains why we remained silent during Rwanda and Sudan.. It wasn't as bad as the atrocities in WWII.. so we should just shrug it all away.

    If they have bomb shelters, why are so many of them killed in their homes and going to and from school and even in their schools? But hey, if we think deliberately harming children is no big deal, then we've pretty much failed as a human race, regardless of what side you happen to support.
     
  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The use of that kind of weasel wording - "specifically targeted" - to avoid owning up to what kind of horrorshow Israel has created for itself to live in, is frankly sickening.

    Israel is murdering children, starving children, traumatizing children, as a matter of deliberate and intentional policy, deliberate and intentional action. Israel knows what it is doing, even if its apologists and deniers refuse to admit the nature these actions.

    You whine about Hamas - things were no different with the PLO, or any other Palestinian government.
    And you are not one of those raising a family under the Israeli guns, and behind the Israeli walls, and continually subjected to the Israeli threats and harassment for so many years now - sonic booms and military assault in the middle of the night, stuff that actually kills people, not a few stray rockets that seldom hit anything. No bomb shelters, and far more lethal ordnance coming in.

    Israel has become a terrorist government that needs to be controlled. Failing that, it needs to live without US support. Failing that, it needs to divert a large share of its military budget to establishing treatment centers for Palestinian children suffering from PTSD - which, looking down the road, may prove a better investment in self-defense than another upgrade to its nuclear arsenal.
     
  19. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    It is Gazains that deny them health care and education, and that strap bombs to them, not Israel. Again in all war you could say that children are being punished by collective guilt, that does not make one side or the other wrong.

    I don't think you know my position on Rwanda and Sudan, so I don't think you can make this statement.

    Israel is not deliberately harming children, if Israel wanted to deliberately harm the children, they would have exterminated the Palestinians years ago, instead Palestinians have incredible number of children and have the fastest breeding rates in the world, nearly half of their population is below the age of 14, with an average life expectancy of 72 those kids aren't dying off.
     
  20. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    Do you consider Jews to be human beings?

    I think not.
     
  21. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    well except bomb shelters are reinforced the palestinian smuggling tunnels probably aren't(they probably would if they could but they don't have access to the materials required to do so). if the structure is weak enough the shock wave from a bomb could collapse the tunnel if the bomb is placed right.
     
  22. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    the problem with that argument is it presupposes that evil is going to be stupid about it. Nothing benefits evil more than that argument.
     
  23. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    No it does not presume, it states as fact, assuming Israel is the "evil" you speak of it has been as a fact very asinine about it evil goals! Riding the land of Palestinians being the goals, having failed for 60+ years and only allowing their population to increase is clear sign with out a doubt that they have failed to achieve the latter evil objectives. If the goals are the most insidious of evil and thus a desire for peace via a 2 state solution, oppressing the Palestinians for decades on end is certainly not smart, as decades of evidence on how well that works is proof of.
     

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