NASA: Humans Will Prove We Are Not Alone

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by StrangerInAStrangeLand, Jul 24, 2014.

  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Why don't you tell me how Sagan who accepted ETI off the Earth as logical, aligns with wellwishers statement thus...

    " . It needs to feed, with the UFO a socially acceptable way to do this.

    The aliens are real in the sense of being projections from unconscious aspects of the human mind. They symbolize our undiscovered self, just as the gods of Greek mythology reflected aspect of our human nature and higher human potential; future. It is interesting to listen to the stories because it often reverse engineers a mapping of some aspects of the modern human psyche."

    Over to you.
     
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  3. river

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    Utter non-sense
     
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  5. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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    It sounds to me like you do agree with Sagan and wellwisher, in ww's first paragraph.
    I had thought you were saying you did not.
    Here:
    I think wellwisher means that atheists want to 'get' the right brain as they have the left. He is suggesting that the atheists hope to satisfy the right brain (the right brains of society that process beauty, romance art, etc) and to include the right brain in their 'scheme of things' -in what for the atheists is an acceptable way - through aliens and UFO myth/legend to replace religious feelings.

    You asked what he meant. That's my take. I have no idea if I am right, but it does sound a lot like what Sagan meant.

    (These views are not my own)
     
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  7. river

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    Oh please people stop this stupidity
     
  8. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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    If you have something to say, say it. Don't just say we're both wrong. That's useless.
     
  9. river

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    What are YOU saying then
     
  10. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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    You can read my last few post and my discussion with paddoboy about wellwisher and Sagan. Read it, understand it, and comeback when you have something of substance to say. Good day.
     
  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, the Irony of it all.
    Methinks you have had one too many anal probes river.
     
  12. river

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    # the posts
     
  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    wellwisher also seems to be projecting Aliens as projections from people's minds?
    Whereas Sagan firmly accepted there existence, based on extent, content and the stuff of life being everywhere.
    river?...well river is river...Another who does not accept BB cosmology and the evidence that supports it, believes we have had Alien visitations on many occasions, has probably been anal probed [

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    ] and also accepts giants walked the Earth at one time.
    His thoughts are taken with a grain of salt, but this is the only outlet he has for his nonsense.
     
  14. river

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    Your not worth it
     
  15. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks for clearing all that up. I'll reread ww to see if that's so.


    (Later...)

    Yes, it is. How unusual. Well, we all have our opinions.
     
  16. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    @ Arne Saknussemm

    What wellwisher Posted in his Post #148, could be considered a Modern re-phrasing of Dr. Sagan's expressed viewpoints in that near 50-year old interview.
    Quite a bit of Science/Technology has changed over that ~50-years,

    In watching/listening to the Posted Video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbfOqgQVKmI
    Dr. Sagan says essentially the same thing that wellwisher Posted in his Post #148.

    From my perspective, Arne Saknussemm, I cannot really grok how anyone that actually read wellwishers Post and actually watched/listened to the video, could conclude that what wellwisher wrote and what Dr. Sagan said in the Posted Video, to be appreciably different.
     
  17. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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    That's why I asked paddo why he thought that. I guess you've read our discussion these past few posts? I understand what difference he sees.
     
  18. river

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    Which are ...?
     
  19. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    It's obvious that our philosopher friend wellwisher, believes Aliens are a projection of people's minds.
    Carl did not.
    Carl is/was an Astronomer and had a practical point of view, based on science and the scientific method.
    wellwisher gives a heap of scrambled personal assumptions and philosophical takes on practical science, that in the main is just wrong.

    In fact Carl would be literally turning in his grave as to how some are using his good name as some seemingly support for pseudoscientific comments, and philosophical nonsense that has been projected.
     
  20. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    I read every Post.

    Alas, Arne Saknussemm, so do I.
     
  21. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    No problems, and yes we have.
    The problem with wellwisher, is he very rarely will explain some of his nonsense...he posts lengthy, rather personal philosophical takes on a subject, then leaves.
    He appears to be like a male lion, just wanting to mark his territory.
    You could ask him what he meant, but I doubt he'll reply.
    And to get an idea of his style of posting, check out a few others...quite weird some of them.

    And Carl would 100% certainty support the continuing search for ETL and ETI realising that when verified it would indeed be mankinds most defining, profound moment ever in the whole of history.
     
  22. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Arne...Are you familiar with "The Pale Blue Dot"?

    It occured when Carl suggested that the cameras of Voyager be turned back and photograph the inner solar system.
    One of my favourite narrations ever.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
     

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