My Theory Of Cosmic Origin....Comments Welcome!

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by Tristan, Aug 25, 2001.

  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Banshee,

    Yes, you can find lots of stuff on the internet. Most of it undergoes no process of testing or review, and a lot of it has absolutely no evidence to back it up. Some of it is just plain contradicted by the observed facts.

    I've seen a LOT of pseudoscientific cosmological theories. None of them comes anywhere near having the explanatory power of our latest scientific theories.
     
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  3. thed IT Gopher Registered Senior Member

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    I'll back James R

    There are indeed a lot if alternative science sies out on the Net. It's an ideal place for people to publish any personal agendas. But, you need to read web pages with your personal debunkers handbook ready and waiting.
     
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  5. Rick Valued Senior Member

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    Hi,
    Its time this thread is given a rating,can you believe the day i registered it was having 60 replies,(i think) and now it is already 201.


    bye!
     
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  7. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    zion ...

    Unfortunately, allowance has not been made for negative ratings

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  8. Teri Curious Registered Senior Member

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    To Boris 2,

    Thanks for that great post on science myths. I've pasted it to a document to read again in order to digest it a bit further. I regret that the wonders of science, in all its forms, was not highlighted during my school years. At 45, I'm now trying to become a sponge for information.

    Could you tell us a bit more about the Aussie forum you mentioned? Or PM me with the information. I'd be grateful, thanks.

    Teri
     
  9. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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  10. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    James R.

    I really don't get all my 'stuff' from the Internet. Like you, I have been studying for years. And a lot of what I am now, I found out by living my life.

    The knowledge how 'things' work, I have from my study, the knowledge of living, I found out by living my life here on Earth.

    And not everything in life is proven with scientific evidence.

    Isn't this Topic called:'Are We From Cosmic Origin...'?

    So you want to prove something different. Ok, start with your prove of where we are coming from then. Now please!!

    Thank you and have a nice day...
     
  11. Brainz0 Registered Senior Member

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    Something for Nothing

    To get back to the original assertions about black holes being the source of the something that makes a new cosmos, this is not relevant...where did the first black hole come from?

    So the "Cosmic Egg" is literally something that pops out of nothingness. The definition of true vacuum, nothingness, is that all possible particles and their anti-particles might appear at any point, and then annihilate each other. Rarely, they don't and go off in opposite directions. Once, one such particle was the super dense one called the Cosmic Egg. It expanded very rapidly, generated a nearly equal number of particles and anti-particles within itself--which proceed to annihilate each other, producing a huge energy flux now reduced to the low-frequency microwave background we now see coming from all directions. The leftovers made the universe as we know it.

    That's the classic BB theory. No black holes or previous matter, space, time existence required.
     
  12. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    Exactly, classical BB-THEORY. No evidence.

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    'I have always been here
    I have always looked out from behind these eyes
    It feels more than a lifetime
    More than a lifetime...'

    'Is this the way it has always have been?
    'Could it ever have been different?
    It's only a lifetime
    It's only a lifetime...'

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    The Cosmos has always been here. Your mind has always been here. There is a big difference between your brain and your mind. Think about that...

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    Have a nice day.
     
  13. Brainz0 Registered Senior Member

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    Unexistence

    Theory that can be tested against outside information and observation gets to be called a scientific theory. Religious theory rejects all such testing, because it might fail, and that is unacceptable.

    It is hard for a consciousness to conceive that it can end or not exist. But unawareness is not a test of truth. "I can't believe..." "I can't imagine..." "I can't understand..." are often used as expressions of doubt or evidence that something is impossible. But they are just literal statements of personal mental inadequancy.
     
  14. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    Existance...

    So you mean I 'believe'...? As in religion?

    May I laugh about that WITH evidence.

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    Didn't you read my post well? I will always be here. It is only A (one) lifetime...

    No can't believe or can't imagine what so ever.

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  15. Brainz0 Registered Senior Member

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    Timing

    So, what were you doing 10^16 days ago? Give or take a couple.
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Banshee,

    <i>Exactly, classical BB-THEORY. No evidence.</i>

    Statements like that make you look silly.

    There is an extraordinary amount of evidence for the big bang, including:

    1. The presence of the cosmic microwave background radiation.
    2. The relative abundances of hydrogen and helium in the universe.
    3. The observed expansion of the universe.

    ...just for a start.
     
  17. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    Theories. No more than theories. What arrogance to think the human race has all the answers, made by human inventions and named after humans invented words.

    They may have found helium and hydrogen in this Universe. So what? It seems only logical to me, because Earth is part of this Universe and thus part of this solar system. Nothing strange about finding the same 'materials' in this solar system, for all Planets react on eachother, by circling all around one and the same Sun.

    What if the Sun dies?

    Is this Universe expanding? The scientists THINK it is. They don't know it for sure. Observations? And because of these obsevations it is true? They can't even make up their minds about the Black Holes. It MAY be so, it CAN be so...All theories.

    Brainz0, 10 - 16 days ago I was here in this world on this Earth in this Universe.

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  18. Brainz0 Registered Senior Member

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    Powers

    No, Banshee. That's 10^16, not 10-16. That means 10,000,000,000,000,000 days. It's called scientific notation. It can also be expressed as 10E16, where E refers to "exponent".

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  19. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Banshee,

    <i>Theories. No more than theories. What arrogance to think the human race has all the answers, made by human inventions and named after humans invented words.</i>

    The three points above are not theories. They are observed facts - features of the observed universe. Your second sentence above is a <i>non sequitur</i> in the current context. Sure, it would be arrogant for anybody to claim to have all the answers, but I haven't seen anybody make that claim here.

    <i>They may have found helium and hydrogen in this Universe. So what?</i>

    You missed the point. I talked about <i>relative abundances</i> of hydrogen and helium in the universe. The big bang theory predicts that the universe should contain hydrogen and helium atoms in an approximately 3 to 1 ratio, and that by far the majority of atoms in the universe should be hydrogen. And, guess what we see when we look out at the universe? Exactly what is predicted by the big bang. One more quantitative vindication of the theory.

    <i>Is this Universe expanding? The scientists THINK it is. They don't know it for sure.</i>

    Yes they do. The expansion is accepted unequivocally by practically every scientist. Ever heard of Edwin Hubble? Guess why they named a space telescope after him. What do you think he might have been the first to discover?

    <i>They can't even make up their minds about the Black Holes.</i>

    Wrong. Black holes are very well defined and studied objects. Just because <i>you</i> don't understand them doesn't mean scientists don't.
     
  20. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    I understand it all pretty well, thank you.

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    It is real nice to see your reactions. How about the neutrinos?

    Tell me your 'vision'.

    And the Black Holes are a mystery...only theories...nothing proven and I think I understand it much better than you think. I am not a fool.

    It took the scientists quite a while either before they came to the conclusion that the Sun is not acting as they expected.

    Neutrino's please.

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    And explain to me how come that a chain reaction has badly damaged one of the world's leading particle physics instruments. The underground Super-Kamiokande Observatory in Japan detects neutrino particles as they pass through the Earth. One of the detectors inside a huge tank of water exploded which in turn led to more than 11,000 others also blowing up. Scientists still aren't sure how the accident happened and why the explosion of one photomultiplier tube also destroyed the rest.

    Give me your explanation and how to handle neutrinos and muons.

    And don't forget the fact that neutrinos flow through your body by millions every second of the day. All part of the Cosmos and this solar system.

    Oh, and I know how eager you scientists are to observe with large telescope's in Space. The more the better. How about all the garbage you leave behind, on Mars for instance?

    Brainz0, doesn't matter how far back you want to go. I was here, in the world, on Earth, in this Universe. Or maybe...I was on another world, on another Earth, in another Universe. There are parallel Universes.

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    But I guess that is to much for your limited understanding.

    Have fun...I know I have.

    And a Happy New Year to you all.

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  21. cygnusco24 Registered Member

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    Let us please remember E=MC2 the creation of the matter entering
    your black hole is converted to energy not more matter therfor the question still remains where did the original "stuff" come from Being an agnostic this is easy for me to say but i would love some one to come up with the answer to that.
     
  22. Brainz0 Registered Senior Member

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    2 issues

    Black holes and Big Bangs are unrelated.

    Mass falling into a black hole is not converted to energy. Both energy and mass entering a black hold add to its mass.

    The Big Bang does not require that the matter/energy it generates does not "come from" somewhere. It is spontaneously created from virtual space, nothingness. This is hard to imagine or envisage because it does not correspond to anything in our experience. But quantum fluctuation is well-documented. It's all a matter of degree.
     
  23. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I don't think you understand, Banshee.

    Banshee,

    Much as you protest that you know all about black holes and neutrinos, from my point of view you appear to know little of those things. I, on the other hand, am making a career out of knowing about such things.

    When somebody says "black hole" to me, I think general relativity, the Schwarzschild metric, Hawking radiation, active galactic nuclei, tensors, and a Disney movie with a cute robot.

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    What do you think of? Probably what you've seen on TV.

    I'm not sure what you're referring to with your oblique references to neutrinos. If you're thinking of the solar neutrino problem, whereby we detect fewer electron neutrinos than we thought we should, that problem is currently under investigation. In fact, it seems to be solved by the theory of neutrino oscillations. Have you heard of that theory? Would you like me to explain it to you?

    I hadn't heard about the Super-K thing before. Please link me to more information and I'll get back to you with an opinion if you want one. I don't think aliens were responsible. Or psychic powers. But I'll need to check out the evidence to be sure.

    <i>Give me your explanation and how to handle neutrinos and muons.</i>

    Handle them in what way?

    <i>How about all the garbage you leave behind, on Mars for instance?</i>

    With respect, there's bugger all rubbish on Mars. VERY few spacecraft have landed there.

    <i>There are parallel Universes.</i>

    Evidence for this statement, please!
     

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