My Own Independent Research On Marijuana Addiciton

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  1. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    Not exactly what I had in mind by formal citation, bro. :m:

    Captain Morgan needs no introduction either.

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  3. Echo3Romeo One man wolfpack Registered Senior Member

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    It was the 1974 Heath/Tulane study. I thought it was published in the 1980s because Reagan cited it while he was governor of California. I can't find the actual study online anywhere, so I guess I suck at the Internet.
     
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  5. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    Its OK, bro, there many other studies that are still findable.

    'Sides, we all gotta suck at something, the Internet is a good as anything else for that.

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  7. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Randwolf,
    I'll try to cover your post as simply as possible.

    "Should people be allowed to smoke/inhale residue or consume Marijuana?"
    I'm not going to say people can't, but they should be aware that it's not all "rainbows, butterflies, bunnies and clouds with silver linings." The substance can cause damage when it's misused usually in volume or over time. (Even worse if both)

    I have nothing against people that want to experiment or just experience what it is that has been argued over for decades. Of course when you bring up the question of parenting a child that's got to the point in making their own decisions, it's obviously something difficult to handle.

    On the one hand you'd never want your child to be introduced to any chemical that they are going to either be dependent on or seek support from, on the other hand you don't want a child "experimenting" behind your back (sometimes its best to know what they are up to).
    Parenting to my knowledge isn't suppose to be about telling a child what they can and can't do, it's about teaching them how to make their own decisions and how to work out what information to listen to prior to making a decision. (This is something people don't seem to be taught.)

    So on the one hand you'd have to explain about the sensory alterations caused and the reduced level of motorfunction's or perception, along with the potential for paranoia and insomnia, as well has getting the munchies. On the other hand you have the concern you'd want them to understand, the capacity for long term usage to cause damage, the understanding that long term usage is "Burning money" which could of been spent on so many other more productive things and the understanding that the very capacity to think and reason is itself impaired by it's usage.

    Don't believe me? There is definitely a difference in mood swings with people that don't use it to those that do. It's down to a balance again of the body moving from an administered high to a counterbalancing low, unfortunately I've seen staff at a company having their Marijuana lows all too often, they are moody, abusive and require having to spark one up during their lunch break which means by the end of the day they aren't even capable of fullfilling their job role and they do this every day of the week. These fluctuations in imbalance are what the body becomes use to, so when they stop it could well result in a psychotic breaks.

    This means it's not down to some genetic weakness but the body being "Conditioned" into what it regards as "Normal" which itself is "Abnormal".

    The worst part about these guys that work is they are proverbial skanks, pilfering cigarettes from one another or passers by, borrowing money because they are constantly in debt and why? it's because they burn it all on cannabis, as well as drinking on the weekends. (For the lack of money they don't eat properly either and obviously to fit their cannabis in they stay up too, so they are basically "fucking themselves up in many different ways" which is where the accumulation can generate schizophrenia.

    "Is it better or worse than alcohol?"
    Alcohol is by far the worst in quantity, however it doesn't mean either is better. Let's just say if both are bad, Marijuana is less bad compared to alcohol.

    The main reason for writing a negative report of Cannabis is because I know full well that when a person supports it and smokes it, they only pay attention to the PRO's and never the CON's. Selective reading is their own worst nightmare.

    If you want to support something for decriminalisation etc, you need to identify both the PRO's and CON's, it can't ever be all PRO's (it never is)
     
  8. Search & Destroy Take one bite at a time Moderator

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    I agree with this reasoning. As one grows dependent on something they start to miss it when it is not around. Pot is no different a Snickers bar in this regards.

    How often does this happen? I suppose it could happen but the probabilities are negligible aren't they?

    Your opinion finally comes out.

    Your emotional investment in this topic has skipped past reality.

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    Answer two rhetorical questions for me if you will.

    How many people are you close to that smoke pot?
    How many people smoke pot in total worldwide?
     
  9. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    If they are "Rhetorical" what would be the point in answering?

    Seriously though there are a lot of people that smoke pot, however a "Recreational drug" as they call it, shouldn't be consumed when they are suppose to be working.

    It's also not a drug that flushes from your system in a couple of hours (Alcohol can take hours, Marijuana can actually take weeks, which is the main reason the choice of drug of those incarcerated in prisons tends to be harder drugs like Heroine so they can pass spot checks.)

    The reason I mention this is that if you smoke a joint in the night prior to a day of work, you are still going to be in under its influence for "days". So the only time you'd be able to use it recreationally without effecting work would likely be only using it on a Friday night and only a Friday night (if you work a 5 day week, Monday to Friday)
     
  10. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    I know it is irritating, but it is good science to cite your sources, as I have indicated earlier.

    It is fine if you believe that stuff you put up, but if you want anyone with an education to take you seriously, you must cite your sources when you make extraordinary claims. Some of the above statements qualify as extraordinary claims, and thus require extraordinary proofs.

    When your proposition is "unfalsifiable" it fails. If your statement lacks a citation based on real world studies, it is nothing more than your opinion. You should make that clear and not try to pass it off as anything factual.

    If you are merely doing a bit of trolling here, I apologize for taking you seriously. You will kindly note that we have spoken of this before.

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  11. Search & Destroy Take one bite at a time Moderator

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    As in I had no intention to elicit a reply & the answer can stay in your head.

    The word 'answer' was perhaps redundant or meaningless on my part. I hope that settles the confusion.

    Trace amounts found in urine do not equate to still being "under the influence".

    Most people agree that 3 or 4 hours after smoking pot, the effects are negligible and performance returns to normal.
     
  12. 420Joey SF's Incontestable Pimp Valued Senior Member

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    If you can smoke you can feel the effect for days??? Stryder where can I find this weed you speak of????

    I strictly smoke fire high grade and im sober in an hour-1/2 tops. I can almost even make myself sober if that makes sense in important social situations unphased. It seems like your spreading disinformation and that some real-life situation has influenced your line of thinking. This is not the first time youve been called out on this and its always the same irrationalizations that can be applied to anything we desire and enjoy.
     
  13. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Joey...you probably smoke more before breakfast than most people do in five years.
     
  14. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    I get a real chuckle out of the.....

    "Pot destroys your ability to think rationally and makes you incompetent. If you disagree with this statement you are obviously a pothead so we can disregard anything you say because you can't think rationally and are incompetent."

    A blatant combination of a straw man AND an ad hominum rolled into one disparaging ontological argument. My logic prof would roll over in his grave! Or burst out laughing.

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    Well, if he is dead now.....
     
  15. Believe Happy medium Valued Senior Member

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    Honestly it could be the most addictive substance on the planet and we could never know. It takes so long to get out of your system (up to a month for a heavy long term smoker) that you are automatically slowly weened off of it. People may be going crazy over it if you were to chelate it out of your system though. Never seen a study done like that.
     
  16. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    You most likely never will either.

    Chelation works well with heavy metal poisoning, but not with cannabinoids. Also, if you flushed all of the cannabinoids out of your system, you would fall over dead as the last bit left your body.

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    Why? Because our bodies constantly make endocannabinoids like anadamide on an ongoing basis to fill vital, necessary biological roles. A dearth of the cannabinoids that engage CB2 receptors in your spinal cord results in intractable pain like myofacial spikes and/or hyperalgesia. Lack of sufficient cannabinoids in the paraquaductal gray region of your brain will result in your developing a severe balance disorder and migraine headaches that will put you down and out vomiting uncontrollably.

    Your' entire body is chock full of cannabinoid receptors that require chemical engagement to function properly. While it takes about 10 pounds of high grade cannabis to kill a healthy adult male human being (noone has ever been killed by cannabis in at least 8,500 years of recorded human usage), the complete lack of cannabinoids will kill you right away.

    This is the scientific basis for the Medical Marijuana laws that have been being passed in many US states. Also why the US federal laws classifying it as a type 1 substance are a violation of both science and common sense. Cannabis has a proven track record of being a viable alternative to such chemicals as Oxycontin, codeine, morphine and other opiate pain reducer/relievers. While it does not remove the pain, it does reduce the perception of pain sufficiently for the person to regain a significant measure of normal activities.

    Many MMJ patients do not consume sufficient cannabis to become "stoned", rather they consume only enough to curb their pain sensations and/or stop the nausea. We must take care not to paint with too large a brush when we discuss this venerable herb.
     
  17. Believe Happy medium Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed
     
  18. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Marijuana regularly causes esquizofrenia in people who have not taken it...
     
  19. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    Esquizofrenia: mental illness that affects a person's ability to distinguish whether the experiences are real or not. Also affects the ability to think logically, to feel emotions and feelings, and behave in social situations.
     
  20. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    Good one! I have observed this as well.

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  21. Echo3Romeo One man wolfpack Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, if it weren't for the fat solubility of THC, cannabis withdrawal would be pretty goddamned awful. Kind of neat how it just so happens to work out that way.

    Some of the research cannabinoids the DEA recently scheduled (JWH-xxx series) can elicit withdrawal symptoms more effectively. Although that could be due to them being full CB1 and CB2 agonists, rather than fat insolubility.
     
  22. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    Leave it to the US govt to come up with more hard drugs with severe side effects.

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    It would sure suck to deuce out all of your CB1 and 2 receptors. Too bad we don't have a neat little chart of where all of those are so we could see the potential damage such an agonist could do.
     
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    that has definitely crossed my mind. I assume that's why the cravings are worst around 2 weeks- 1 months into abstinence.

    as for the pro's/con's, like most things, it's probably not black and white, but somewhere in the middle.

    I have smoked cannabis thousands upon thousands of times, from crappy street schwagg to high grade dispensary hydro (a whole different experience).
    I have only experienced withdrawals from street weed. The medical quality weed, despite getting me far, far higher, gives a much fresher, cleaner high, and the withdrawals, despite the potency of the bud, are minimal. This led me to believe most of my withdrawals (insomnia, vomiting, irritability, no appetite) are more related to pesticides and other random additives than cannabis itself.

    As for retaining full mental function, it definitely doesn't come back in a day, not even a week. Last year I didn't smoke for 7 months. It took about 3 months to really start feeling "normal" or how I used to feel.

    Joey, is it possible that your brain has been overloaded with THC for so long that you forgot what true "normal" feels like? Try not smoking for a week, I bet the shift in reality will blow your mind (in fact, if you smoke daily, abstaining may act as a new sort of "high")

    Ultimately, cannabis is a deceptive mothafucka. For every beautiful revelation it provides, there is a little something it takes away. It is subtle though, very subtle. It takes a very "awake" consciousness to objectively identify the negatives of marijuana abuse. If there ever was a double-edged sword, it is marijuana.

    I may sound like an Above The Influence ad, but I am probably the biggest pothead you will ever meet- not in terms of how often I smoke (which is a lot) but in terms of how much I love weed. I have written about it extensively, and in many ways it has improved my life immensely (mostly in terms of perspective; how I see the world, life, humanity etc.)

    My issue is with moderation. I can go months without alcohol crossing my mind, but there is always a small portion of my mind, subconscious or not, that wants to smoke some sweet marijuana.

    As a wise man once said, "once you know Mary Jane, you cannot unknow her."
     
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