Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Trapped, Jan 3, 2014.
Just in case you can't find were you posted that Russ, I took the liberty of quoting it.
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To everyone: I am a good man and there is only so much... I can possibly take. There is a level of stupidity from sceptics surrounding the phenomenon largely because they don't take it seriously.
Just remember, if the truth about UFO's come out in our lifetimes, all these discussions about the UFO phenomenon at sciforums. Remember, the collection of sceptics you had, you had one camp who made a mockery of it, ignoring what was being said to them or any of the evidence being put forward. Then you have idiots who think it was all for fun, that several military installations colluded to dupe the whole world of UFO's probing military installations. Or those here who say there are no UFO's, it's all faith to the last lot who just like to throw ad hominems because they have no other material put forth.
No one ever said anything about you as a person, you just have some really funny whacked out ideas.
It is not stupidity to demand high quality evidence and proof for an amazing claim! Of course we don't take it seriously.
I think the truth has come out in our lifetime - we are not being visited by Glorf from the planet Fnerk.
Trapped, you do not seem to notice the difference between the words : "origin" - and - "existence".
Those two words are not interchangeable!
They mean two entirely different things!
They do not have a common definition!
I'm sorry if you cannot understand the difference between "origin" and "existence".
I know they are different words. Listen to what I am writing.
I am saying to Russ, if he doesn't disagree with what I said, why is he challenging the authenticity of the claim by bringing into question the existence of the craft. As I keep saying, if there is no question about the existence of the craft, why say something like he did?
Secondly, it was me who said sceptics and myself clash on the origins of the craft.
To finish, there are no contradictions between me and most sceptics concerning the ''existence of the craft.'' The thing that starts causing contradictions, is the quetsion of its origin. I am well aware the differences between the two. The only reason why I say this, is because Russ is wrong about what most sceptics ''think.''
You think they exist, most people know that they most probably don't. How is that not a contradiction? And "spacecraft" that don't exist have their origin in your ignorance and wishful thinking, not anywhere in the real world. Just because an Unidentified Flying Object exists(and they do), that only means you have failed to recognize the object, it is not evidence that alien spacecraft exist or that they visit.
Because the existence of alien spacecraft and the existence of UFOs are two entirely different and largely unrelated things. One exists(people fail to identify something they see all of the time(thus Unidentified), some of those things are flying(thus Flying Object)), the other most probably does not(UNIDENTIFIED does not mean ALIENS!), you figure it out. You've failed miserably here, when is your last "Last UFO Thread" going to occur? Sooner is better.
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There may be no question as to the perceived existence of an "unidentified" phenomena, but the fact that it remains "unidentified", literally means that it has NOT been identified as anything, which includes positive "identification" that it is indeed, a "craft".
I solved a puzzle today on a crop circle which happened this year. I realized the central design had a pattern to it, I realized that it most closely resembled Braille. Checking it next to a Braille translator, I discovered it was spelling the number 192.
By the way, this is a good indication that this crop circle has been debunked. It's not likely aliens would know Braille. The unfortunate thing about this, is I just found out that someone else discovered it...
Yes, this is why I don't understand these people. Too many credible mass eye-witness accounts and rather you would stick you head in the sand and say they probably don't exist. If you don't understand what is wrong with that statement, then you are part of the problem.
ps. By the way, I don't ''think,'' they exist, I know they exist, just as Billvon know they exist, because both of us have seen UFO's.
Your continued lies regarding your misuse of the term "UFO" are noted here again: bilvon does not agree with you and you are dodging your own claim of a consensus that your "craft" exist. Clearly, enough people have now posted agreeing with me that it should be clear to you that if you had believed it honestly you'd now recognize you were wrong.
Right, that's not why you're getting so much flak. You are getting flak because you are certain they are space aliens.
Based on the evidence, I have no other choice.
You lot have the right to be selective about what evidence you can accept, keep in mind I make my choice because of the evidence. You make you choice, neglecting it.
I don't give two flying ''f's'' whether you think I misuse the term UFO. I actually don't. You just hate the fact I think some UFO's are alien. Deal with it.
If you bring up the question of my use of ''UFO'' one more time, I will block you. You keep repeating this and it is making me tired and sick of you.
And other people believe in ghosts based on even more evidence. I guess as long as such beliefs make people happy . . .
Actually no. I already told you, the head of the sceptics committee in London speaks for the sceptics, saying the consensus is that there is indeed a cover up.
You and billvon, as much as you would like to think, do not speak for the sceptic community.
And others believe in God as well, but those are just ''beliefs'' as well, though one critical difference is that there is no evidence for God, yet there is about a 100 years of evidence of UFO's. You can try and derail the argument with as many of these petty retorts as you can possibly make.
By the way, I have never been convinced in the evidence presented by ghost enthusiasts. If you think there is more evidence for ghosts than there are for UFO's or them being alien in origin, then I actually don't think you have a clear grasp of the subject at all. As some one who specializes in conspiracy theories, in particular the UFO phenomenon, you can take my word for it, the so-called ghost phenom has nothing on the UFO reality.
Of course. And a ghost specialist will claim, with just as much conviction, that you are foolish for ignoring thousands of confirmed literary, photographic, video, audio and eyewitness accounts of ghost sightings, many made by scientists and paranormal experts. And he'd be just as right as you are.
Can I take that as an acknowledgement of your earlier lies regarding your beliefs and standard of proof? Earlier, you "acknowledged" on several occasions that it is not well demonstrated/proven and glossed over the fact that you do actually believe it is.
Quote, please. You'll have to excuse me for assuming you are lying....at the very least, "coverup" is not the same as "are definitely alien spacecraft". [paraphrase]
You've also claimed that to be the consensus on this forum.
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