My first out of body experience

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  1. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Rather than give a link to an entire document could you please quote the relevant part where it states that
    As far as I'm concerned the sentence
    is NOT the same thing as "thought to be". Didn't you notice the words "may be" in there? It's especially tendentious as it states it could also be the "self"? How may people regard themselves as a mind or a soul?

    And also the part that states:
    Thank you.
     
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  3. Alan McDougall Alan McDougall Registered Senior Member

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    OK I apologize and promise to phrase my posts more carefully in future. But I have read "somewhere"? that the mind and soul are synonymous
     
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  5. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Apart from the odd "maverick" I think that suggestions that the mind is the soul would not be accepted.
    The mind is fairly well recognised as existing (even if not understood) - and for which we have sciences (psychology, etc), and which no one, so far as I can tell, claims lives after death.
    The soul however, is supposedly some metaphysical, all-but-immortal, nebulous construct for which we have zero evidence (unless/ until it's conflated with "mind").
     
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  8. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    You've responded inadequately here, next time do yourself a favor and don't respond to prevent embarrasing yourself.
     
  9. Alan McDougall Alan McDougall Registered Senior Member

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  10. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    I only queried because it seemed that you were asking questions about a Soul and Duncan attempt to generate experiments to prove existence of one.

    Was he weighing a soul in his experiments, I would say no, I would however suggest that in a live human being their is bioelectromagnetism that could effected how mass is registered while live.

    As for an actual Soul, I'm pretty sure it's been stated it's nothing more than a Construct operating within the brain, much like children imagine they are a superhero or professionals adopt a profession. (In some respects you could call it a form of nonviolent Sociopathy.)
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Like Logic? Conscience? Thinking? Mathematics? Money? Time?
     
  12. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Yup, you missed "Religion", "Materialism", "patriotism" etc.
     
  13. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    So, you claim to work in a lab but have never taken biology? Perhaps, the lab work is sweeping up afterward?

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  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Well since you've taken physics and biology of the mind, why don't you educate us ignoramuses?

    Maybe you could join (Q) in explaining these "constructs" of the "mind", all these necessary illusions so to speak.
     
  15. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    I am so sorry to have aggravated you, please accept my humble apologies.
     
  16. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe you should have gone to school instead of reading the Quran, that way you wouldn't be such an ignoramus.
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Does that mean you are unwilling to explain the physics of thinking for us? Shall we have to take you on faith?
     
  18. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    No, you could go to school and learn something for a change.

    I've taken the time to read your holy books, you should do the same.
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    If you don't want to answer a question, why not just say so? Whats the point of starting something you are unwilling to finish?


     
  20. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Stop lying, Sam. I answered your question but I'm not about to go into something that would require you to attend classes for several years. You know that, too.
     
  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Why don't you start here and see how far you even attempted to have a rational outlook on the subject?

    The full paper is available here: http://www.neuro.ki.se/ehrsson/pdfs/Ehrsson-Science-2007-with-SOM.pdf

    For someone who scorns faith and preaches reason, you seem to singularly lack the desire or ability to defend your assertions with evidence.
     
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  22. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    You see, Sam, you completely ignore the fact that OBE's violate physical laws and present a paper based on testimonials.

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  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Clearly, my dear (Q), your assertions have been soundly trounced by the evidence that they can be induced in healthy volunteers.

    Maybe you should volunteer for the experience. I think you would enjoy it.

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