Moveon.Org own the Democratic Party

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  1. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Dems Taking All-Or-Nothing View on Iraq


    By ANNE FLAHERTY,AP
    Posted: 2007-07-25 03:37:51
    WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic leaders are taking an all-or-nothing approach on Iraq, a tack that leaves its members empty-handed for now but keeps the party in lockstep with demands by anti-war groups.

    At the end of the month, lawmakers were expected to break for their August recess without passing veto-proof legislation that would significantly challenge President Bush's Iraq policies. Such a feat would have required Democrats to soften their stance or compromise with Republicans - something anti-war groups don't want them to do and a move party leaders have shown no interest in.

     
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    Surely you mean "pwns"
     
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  8. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    I'll be very interested to see how things pan out. The Dems surely are pandering to the far-left blogosphere...but I wonder if that is not just a new incarnation of "playing to the base" during primary season. If it is, then you should see the pandering slow down (or at least become more subtle) after the party's nominee is selected.

    I think that makes sense, as it's hardly as if the blogs pull a lot of weight with the general electorate, but they are certainly very reflective of the mood of the party activists.

    If the Dems think they has play for the blogs through to the end of the general election, then I think they are setting the stage for a big loss. They can certainly continue to beat on the war, as the general electorate hates the war, and perhaps that will be enough to sate the bloggers, but at some point they have to move to the middle. (Though a lot depends on who the Republicans pick. Giuliani is pretty middle of the road on paper, so the dems will have to make a big swing to the middle in order to defeat him...Romney seems further right—albeit in a Kerry-esque Flip-Flopper™ sort of way—so the Dems might not need as big a shift to the middle against him).
     
  9. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    The Democrats were elected largely on the basis of the Iraq war. They are expected to do something about it. MoveOn represents many of the liberal base of the party. I think they can't worry about a legislative fix, only defunding this war now can end it. Then they should impeach the lot.
     
  10. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    MoveOn: "We Bought" the Democratic Party
    By Ben Johnson
    FrontPageMagazine.com | December 10, 2004

    A standard “action alert” has provided a rare glimpse inside the mind of the Shadow Party.

    In a December 9th e-mail signed by “Eli Pariser, Justin Ruben, and the whole MoveOn PAC team,” the Soros front group stated: “In the last year, grassroots contributors like us gave more than $300 million to the Kerry campaign and the DNC, and proved that the Party doesn't need corporate cash to be competitive. Now it's our Party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back.”

    To clarify, the hysterical Left believes not only that America’s oldest political party is for sale, but that George Soros has already made the down payment.

    Such a view would line up with Soros’ own designs. The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer (no conservative, she) quotes an unidentified friend describing the billionaire leftist’s modus operandi: “Money is just a tool for him. It’s how he manipulates a lot of things in his life.” Soros spent $18 million in his attempt to buy this year’s presidential election. Now he’s setting his sights a little lower, but his desire to “manipulate” our democracy remains.

    MoveOn’s contemptuous assertion comes the weekend Democratic state party officials are to meet, interview, and potentially endorse candidates seeking to head the Democratic National Committee. MoveOn has set up a campaign urging its followers to warn party officials against electing a centrist. Such a scenario, the e-mail assures, is a political loser.
     
  11. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    I thought Mc Cain/Feingold got the money and special interest out of Politics?


    MoveOn.Org Background:

    “The MoveOn Family Of Organizations Consists Of Three Entities.” “MoveOn.org, a 501(c)(4) organization, primarily focuses on education and advocacy on important national issues. MoveOn PAC, a federal PAC, primarily helps members elect candidates who reflect our values. And MoveOn.org Voter Fund, a 527 organization, primarily educates voters on the positions, records, views, and qualifications of candidates for public office.” (MoveOn.Org Website, www.moveon.org, Accessed 3/18/05)

    MoveOn.Org Email Claims It Bought And Owns Democrat Party: “Now It’s Our Party: We Bought It, We Own It, And We’re Going To Take It Back.” (Adam C. Smith, “Unshaven, Unbowed And In Our Face,” St. Petersburg Times, 2/18/05)

    “[M]oveOn.Org, The Pro-Kerry Advocacy Group That Spent $21-Million On The 2004 Election …” (Eric Deggans, “The Party Poopers,” St. Petersburg Times, 1/16/05)

    MoveOn.Org Voter Fund Established On September 18, 2003 And Raised $12,558,215 In 2004 Cycle. (IRS 527 Committee Search Website, www.irs.gov, Accessed 9/30/03; Political Money Line Website, www.tray.com, Accessed 3/18/05)

    Top Donors To MoveOn.Org Voter Fund 527 Were Herbert And Marion Sandler ($2,505,014), Peter B. Lewis ($2,500,000), George Soros ($2,500,000) and Stephen Bing ($971,427). (Political Money Line Website, www.tray.com, Accessed 3/18/05)

    • Sandlers Were Fourth Largest Donors To Democrat 527 Groups, Giving $14,009,039, Including To The Joint Victory Campaign And Citizens For A Strong Senate. (Political Money Line Website, www.tray.com, Accessed 3/18/05)

    • Peter Lewis And Billionaire Philanthropists George Soros And John Sperling Have “Bankrolled The Pro-Pot Movement.” (Joel Stein, “The New Politics Of Pot; Can It Go Legit?” Time, 11/4/02)

    o Lewis Was Second Largest Donor To Democrat-527 Groups In 2004 Cycle, Giving $23,997,220, Including To Joint Victory Campaign 2004, ACT NOW PAC, America Votes 2004 And Democracy For America. (Political Money Line Website, www.tray.com, Accessed 3/18/05)

    • Soros Said A “Supremacist Ideology” Guides Bush Administration, Which Reminds Him Of Nazis. (Laura Blumenfeld, “Soros’s Deep Pockets Vs. Bush,” The Washington Post, 11/11/03)

    o Soros Contributed The Most Money, $27,030,105, Of Any Donor To 527s In 2004 Cycle, Including To Joint Victory Campaign 2004, ACT NOW PAC, And Democracy For America. (Political Money Line Website, www.tray.com, Accessed 3/18/05)

    • Bing Described As “Playboy-Producer-Philanthropist” (Eric Alterman, “The Hollywood Campaign,” The Atlantic Monthly, 9/04)

    o Bing Was Fourth Largest Contributor, Giving $13,952,682, To Democrat-527s In 2004 Cycle, Including To Joint Victory Campaign 2004, Voices For Working Families, And Campaign for Americas Future. (Political Money Line Website, www.tray.com, Accessed 3/18/05)

    o “ing Is The Largest Donor In Natural Resources Defense Council History, Having Pledged A Year Ago More Than $10 Million Over Four Years To Build A Climate Center To Focus Attention In The United States On Global Warming.” (Rachel Abramowitz, “A Player In Every Sense,” Los Angeles Times, 7/3/02)

    o "[T]he Constant Refrain From The Politically Connected In Hollywood Is ‘What We Need More Than Anything Is More Steve Bings.’” (Eric Alterman, “The Hollywood Campaign,” The Atlantic Monthly, 9/04)

    o Bing, Who Enjoys Strip Clubs And Las Vegas Casinos, Lives In Two-Bedroom Bel-Air Home But Bought Seven Adjoining Houses With Plan Of Demolishing Them To Create “Palatial Grounds.” “A determined bachelor, he lives in a small two-bedroom home in Bel-Air but has bought the seven adjoining houses with the intention of knocking them down and creating palatial grounds. He’s a fan of strip clubs, has been a high roller in Las Vegas for years, and yet he can discuss the dense Robert Caro biography of Lyndon Johnson.” (Rachel Abramowitz, “A Player In Every Sense?” Los Angeles Times, 7/3/02)

    MoveOn.Org PAC Raised $31,870,607 In 2004 Cycle. (Political Money Line Website, www.tray.com, Accessed 3/18/05)

    • MoveOn.Org PAC Gave $203,442 To Democrat Candidates And $0 To Republican Candidates In 2004. (Political Money Line Website, www.tray.com, Accessed 3/18/05)
     
  12. superstring01 Moderator

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    I agree. That is the big issue that got them elected... they had better do something or that'll look pretty bad for them. (not saying that I agree with anything they are doing... just agreeing with your assessment of the situation).

    I disagree.

    ~String
     
  13. Genji Registered Senior Member

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    Moveon.org owns the Dems like the religious right owns the Repubs?!

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

    Shriek all you want BR, your party is sunk. Gotta do better than this to turn the 15% that bend over for the religious right to a majority.

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
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    BR is one of the RR.
     
  15. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    You mean like the Neo-Cons took over the Republican party? That's politics! And no, McCain-Feingold did not take the money out of politics.
     
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    I love hearing people using fatalistic statements like that... as if it were true. On day, in your lifetime (unless you're really old), the worm will turn-- people will be accusing the Dems of conspiracy and corruption and then the Republicans will be back in office doing the exact same thing.

    You would think that people had a memory longer than that of a goldfish.

    ~String
     
  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    You'd have to remember the late 1800s to recall anything like what the Reps have been up to these past few years.

    Not even Nixon or Reagan matched this zoo story, let alone any Dem.
     
  19. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    How about Carter and Johnson? They did a bang up job, Ice...
     
  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Carter did little, and some of it OK; Johnson did much good - and quit in good time.

    No comparison with Reagan, even, for circus act - let alone the one, the only, the inimitable Dubya.

    Find me another Presidential incident to compare with Jeff Gannon's tenure as White House "reporter", for example.
     
  21. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    What did Johnson do that was "good?" And was it "good" enough to overcome the disaster of Vietnam?

    You want a presidential incident? Refresh your memory with something called the Gulf of Tonkin (a far cry worse than fudged intelligence, I'd say). Or read up on how Johnson actually ordered the American intelligence community to spy on Americans (as opposed to Bush's domestic wire-tapping fiasco).
     
  22. Genji Registered Senior Member

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    Johnson led the greatest standard of living increase for whites in US history. The 1960's under LBJ were a flourishing time for the US consumer. The Great Society propped our standard of living up 3 generations in a few years. Whites were the beneficiaries of course.

    Carter is easy to pick on but he inherited an economy made by REPUBLICANS. Nixon & Ford sucked and left it in tatters. The world was unstable from backward conservative US leaders too. Carter took the driver seat in a bad time. When righties boast that Clinton's bursting successful economy was because of Reagan and Bush preceding him, I apply that same reasoning to Carter inheriting a BAD Repub economy.
     
  23. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    So why don't you apply the same reasoning to the success you lay at the feet of LBJ? He inherited an economy bolstered by Kennedy's tax cuts and Eisenhower's strengthening of the military industrial complex.

    And though I can't substantiate it, (which you didn't bother to do, either) I'd argue it was the 1950s, what with its aforementioned spending in Eisenhower administration, the GI Bill and a general recovery from WW2, is the decade that led to greatest increase in the standard of living for Americans — not the 1960s. I'd also argue that the Great Society and LBJ's war on poverty were not as successful as people claim. Plus, as I mentioned in an earlier post, whatever domestic successes LBJ had are moot next to Vietnam, a war he had a major hand in engineering and esculating...
     

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