you no what i have notised no germans ever talk about this i heard they dont even leanr about it in there country
nonetheless, wouldn't you agree that those were some stupid mistakes? They ambition of the Germans got to their heads. Had he been smart (let's say he was wining) he should have first taken what he wants of Europe then sent all his forces at the Soviets
leopold99 It was. Check your facts, Kaga, Akagi, Hiryū and Sōryū, were the carrier losses at Midway for Japan, They still had Shinano, Junyo, Hiryu, Chitose, Shokaku, Unyru , Taiyo, Chuyo, Shinano, Taiho, Hiyo, and Ryujo. The losses of pilots at the Coral Sea and Midway was the biggest hit for the Imperial Navy, as these were the best of the Navy at that time, and their loss and experience were never replaced. And as for your bloodfest, the Japanese contributed far more than their fair share to make it so.
Norsefire Hitler had taken all of Europe, he just didn't finish Britain, and that was his mistake, and no there were other battles that took place after Stalingrad that if not won, would have made all the Russian sacrifice vain. Pivotal Battles build one upon the other, they all are interconnected.
the shinano and taiho wasn't commissioned until late 44. i can't find anything about chitose, unyru, or the taiyo. the ryulo was sunk roughly a month after midway. it wasn't MY bloodfest.
leopold99 OK, so take the Shinano and Taiho, out of the mix Japan still had 10 carriers after Midway, Your statement. Just how many of those Islands were Japans National Territory before the Start of WWII? the Japanese seemed to have expanded as far south as New Guinea, and as far west as the Aleutian Islands in Alaska, and Wake Island, both U.S. territories. And when we ask them to leave nicely they told us the go fuck our honorable selves, now lets look at their expansions in the East, now those were blood baths, very cold blooded ones at that. Japanese Army's Atrocities -- Nanjing Massacre Factories of Death : Japanese Biological Warfare 1932-45 and the American Cover- ... and other atrocities committed by Japanese army in China during WW II. ... http://www.cnd.org/njmassacre/ Japanese War Crimes This page is for the memorial of the victims of the Japanese atrocities in the ... In its 14-year aggression war against China, Japanese army and Japanese ... http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/
Don’t know already mentioned (have not read much of thread) and in some ways it was not even a "battle" (thanks, in part, to Hitler's trusting astrological advice) but it was very decisive. The successful Dunkirk evacuation, which made it possible for US to later supply a still free England. WWII would have turned out very different, if instead of stopping his tanks to conserve fuel (and to wait until the stars were more favorable) he had pushed forward, destroyed the British army, and soon there after conquered England and divided Eastern Europe with Stalin. - I.e. made peace on the "Eastern Front" to free up troops to occupy and control England.
Err, or maybe because, as actually happened, Goering interceded on behalf of the Luftwaffe because he wanted the destruction of the Brits and French in the Dunkirk pocket to be an air force victory rather than the panzerwaffe's.
another pivotal battle, if you want to call it that, is the capture of a fully operational u-boat with a working enigma machine and codes.
Many battles were decisive to the outcome of WW11. My pennies worth. Kohima. Mostly unknown about. " Hold on at all cost " was the order. All air transport of supplies were halted over the Himalaya's to China. Kohima was the first battle to be entirely supplied by air. The percentage losses were probably one of the highest. Only about 200 survived ( My father was one ). If it had fallen. India would have been wide open and probably would have greeted the Japanese as liberaters.
If you are referring to the holocaust, it is drilled into all Germans 24/7 and it is a crime to question any aspect of the official (tm) version.
Some people think that Stalin was about to invade Germany which explains why Stalin had so many of his forces along the Polish border.
I dont think so. Stalin, unlike hitler, wasn't an idiot. Had he done what hitler had, he would've succeeded.
Well why did Stalin have a ton of his forces on the Polish border which the Germans blew the shit out of in the first couple weeks of the war including most of his air force? Was that a smart move on Stalin's part? Was it smart of Stalin to kill most of his best generals before the war? Was it smart of Stalin or Lenin to starve to death 7 million Ukranians who then hated Russia and initially welcomed the Germans as liberators?
Actually, every battle in WWII was the pivotal battle, they built one upon the other, and if any of them had gone different, the whole situation could have changed, a war is won by the constant pressure of battle against the enemy, some things go well others don't, but you can't judge the out come of a war on a single battle or campaign, as they are part of a whole that is victory, and it takes the ability to maintain the pressure of the battle against any enemy, and destroy his supplies, and cut him off from his supplies, and the financial support. WWII was won in the last year of the war by the combined pressure of all of the battles that came before, and the absolute destruction of the Germans, oil, industrial, transportation, and economy, and most of this was due to the Bomber Campaign, and precession bombing of the U.S. Air Force, at the end of the war, Germany had no oil production, its manufacturing ability was non existent, they could not move the weapons that they produced, or the supplies that were needed by its army in the field, and their economy was in a shambles, so it all goes together, the Air War gave the ground forces the ability to move on the ground, which held the territory, so it and its resources were unavailable to the enemy, and the Navy kept the sea lanes open so we could supply our forces in the field, and deny the enemy from importing the raw materials needed to supply their war machine.
German production INCREASED during the bomber campaign, and economically did very little harm. The bomber campaign (training of crews, building of large bombers, losses etc) actually cost the Allies approximately ten times more than the overall damage done to the Germans. Not a cost-effective weapon at all...
Oli, Until the mid 1944, In the word of the Germans themselves. http://karbuz.blogspot.com/2006/10/fuel-logistics-lesson-from-wwii.html By July 1944 every major plant had been hit. These plants were producing an average of 316,000 tons per month when the attacks began. Their production fell to 107,000 tons in June and 17,000 tons in September. Output of aviation gasoline from synthetic plants dropped from 175,000 tons in April to 30,000 tons in July and 5,000 tons in September. Production recovered somewhat in November and December, but for the rest of the war was but a fraction of pre-attack output. Leuna was the largest of the synthetic plants. From the first attack to the end, production at Leuna averaged 9 percent of capacity. To win the battle with Leuna a total of 6,552 bomber sorties were flown against the plant, 18,328 tons of bombs were dropped and an entire year was required.[5] Generaleutnant Adolf Galland, Chief of Fighters, GAF: "In my opinion, it was the Allied bombing of our oil industries that had the greatest effect on the German war potential. Even our supplies for training new airmen were severely curtailed--we had plenty of planes from the autumn of 1944 on, and there were enough pilots up to the end of that year, but lack of petrol didn't permit the expansion of proper training to the air force as a whole. General Jahn, Commander in Lombardy: "The attacks on the German transport system, coordinated with the serious losses in the fuel industry, had a paralyzing effect not only on the industries attacked but on all other German industries as well." Generalmajor Albrecht von Massow, A.O.C. Training, GAF: "The attack on German oil production opened in 1944 was the largest factor of all in reducing Germany's war potential." General Feldmarschall Karl Gerd von Rundstedt, Commander-in-Chief in the West before German surrender: "Three factors defeated us in the West where I was in command. First, the unheard-of superiority of your air force, which made all movement in daytime impossible. Second, the lack of motor fuel oil and gas -- so that the Panzers and even the remaining Luftwaffe were unable to move. Third, the systematic destruction of all railway communications so that it was impossible to bring one single railroad train across the Rhine. This made impossible the reshuffling of troops and robbed us of all mobility. Our production was also greatly interfered with by the loss of Silesia and bombardments of Saxony, as well as by the loss of oil reserves in Romania."
