Mormons teach Mexicans are descendants of Jews. Evidence?

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  1. entelecheia Registered Senior Member

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    Hi

    I have curiosity to know about it.

    Does anybody knows any archaeologycal/historiologycal evidence (s) about it?
    Why no evidence of jewish alphabet was discovered in the ancient buildings of Mexico?

    I would really appreciate any answers
     
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  3. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Mexicans?? I thought it was the Native Americans who were teh lost tribe
     
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  5. arauca Banned Banned

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    If you mean many Jews that come during the conquista time is Columbus time , There was a group of Marranos (Convert Jews practising Judaism clandestine ) established in Monterrey they were escaping the inquisition , the same happen in Brazil
     
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  7. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    The answer is no, there is no evidence in North, Central or South America of a pre-Columbian Jewish population. The Book of Mormon speaks of lambs and swords, but there is no evidence of pre-Columbian lambs, horses, chariots or swords in the Americas. According to the Book of Mormon, Jews arrived in the Americas around 588 BC. And according to the Book of Mormon they quickly began to produce swords and weapons. Not a single pre-Columbian sword has been found in the Americas. No alphabets, no writing. The Mayan texts in no way resemble Jewish text.

    It is well known that horses and other plants and animals mentioned in the Book of Mormon didn't exist in the Americas during the period referenced in the Book of Mormon. It is a well established fact that horses were reintroduced into the Americas by the Spanish and not a band of Jews. More telling is the lack of genetic evidence to support the Book of Mormon.

    "Some Mormon archaeologists and researchers claim various archaeological findings such as place names, and ruins of the Inca, Maya, Olmec, and other ancient American and Old World civilizations as giving credence to the Book of Mormon record.[2] Critics and non-Mormon archaeologists disagree with these conclusions, arguing that the Book of Mormon mentions several animals, plants, and technologies that are not substantiated by the archaeological record between 3100 BC to 400 AD in America,[3][4][5][6] including the ass,[7] cattle,[8] horses, oxen, domesticated sheep, swine,[9] goats,[10] elephants,[11] wheat,[12] barley,[13] silk,[14] steel,[15] swords,[11] scimitars, chariots[16] and other elements. Further, scientists note that genetic studies show that Amerind peoples are most likely of Asiatic origin,[17] which conflicts with the Book of Mormon account of their ancestry. Mormon archaeologists deal with the genetics problem in a variety of ways." -Wikipedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon

    The Mormon Church has actively sought archeological proof of The Book of Mormon, but none has been found.
     
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  8. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    The Book of Mormon was written by a crazy pedophile. Why would anyone think it had any connection to reality?
     
  9. entelecheia Registered Senior Member

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    I understand the 'native hebrew-americans' are the basis of their Bible. So, if science says hebrew-americans are a fantasy, and never will be discovered any archeologycal evidence of them, for what reason educated mormons are still believing in the Sacred Revelations of Mormon Book?

    Is it not an anti-scientific, anti-rational attitude?
    Is not worthy recognize the errors of our religions, no matter how much time we believed in them?
    For example, Catholic Pope recognized Darwin theory, etc
     
  10. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, Mormonism is basically irrational, as are most religions. This is their faith, and whether it's true or not is mostly not relevant to them. Education, in the Mormon sense, is for the most part not a complete one. They go to their own insular schools like BYU. Others are able to separate their particular profession from their religion. They don't let facts get in the way of their belief.
     
  11. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Because faith is beyond reason, facts are of little value for the true believer. That applies to politics as well as religion. I would dare say many of those in the know, who know the science and still practice the religion do so because they like the life style.

    How many Christians know why most of them celebrate the Sabbath on Sunday, instead of Friday & Saturday? People believe because they have been taught, tradition, ignorance, and because they want to believe. There isn’t much difference between religion and politics in that regard.
     
  12. entelecheia Registered Senior Member

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    Religious persons use words like: reductionism, scientism, intolerance, the truth can come thru 'revelation' also,
    But, beyond reason is not equal to irrational, as spidergoat said; since humans are rational by definition.

    And regard lovable lifestyle, i tried to be a mormon, failed 'cause i have had to throw my brain away, and then stay seated 8 hours all sundays, without take any break. I'm becoming creazeee!! Cure me for Gods sake!:shake:
     
  13. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    I beg to differ with you. Beyond reason is irrational. But people are not by any means rational beings. We are emotional beings. Look at the stock market; it goes up and down irrationally at times. And if you can identify those times, you can make a mint. Markets are not rational because people are not rational. Look at other religious groups, the religious groups who in recent years have committed mass suicide, The Peoples Temple, The Solar Temple, Heaven’s Gate or the Islamic suicide bombers/terrorists. Those suicides were not the acts of rational people. People are driven by their emotions no matter how much we want to pretend to be rational, we are not. Virtually every decision you make is driven by some sort of emotion. Some of us are better at managing our emotions than others (e.g. personality types). But the bottom line is we are all emotional and to some degree irrational beings that can be easily manipulated. Turn on any TV or radio or even browse the internet and see how long you can go before being hit with an advertisement. Advertisements are intended to play on your emotions to elicit a certain behavior on your part. The notion that humans are rational is a huge but common misperception.

    The Mormon lifestyle doesn’t appeal to everyone. But a lot of people find their family focus appealing. I too tried the Mormon life style; I find the family focus appealing. But, I didn’t like all the other stuff either. You mentioned the brain thing, and the long hours in church, they were big turnoffs for me. But I also didn’t like the cult like aspects of the religion (e.g. required financial disclosures) and focus on money. There was a lot of talk in the church and in my view actions frequently fell short of the talk. Look at Romney who recently ran for president. He is a senior church leader and he lied his ass off this last election. So my advice to you is to not let the church drive you crazy. You don’t need them. There are many other religions and churches out there. Find one that fills your needs and hopefully doesn’t abuse you.
     
  14. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    My first impression is that it's for the same reason that Olmec heads are not found in the Golan Heights, or that it wasn't a Palenque temple buried at the site where the library of Nineveh was uncovered.

    On second thought, hold that thought: the ways that this idea even occurs to you seems like some of the imagination that must go on when religions are in their embryonic phase. Who knows when such ideas actually take shape as beliefs. They're perfectly harmless in the form of curiosity. Some folks are apparently wired to keep drilling down in the world of yarn-spinning, only to start synthesizing their own hybrid stories.

    Keep pulling on that strand, and you'll probably snag the Book of Enoch, Atlantis, Thoth, or the planet Krypton.

    Also: there probably isn't really a single Jewish alphabet. You could say Hebrew, which was replaced by Aramaic when the Olmecs . But if you said Semitic, that would be closer to home, since, populationwide, Mexicans would tend to carry Moorish DNA. They just lost their connection to script of the caliphates by the time the Christians finally recovered Andalusia.

    The other way to look at it is this. In the early era of the Olmecs, the "Jewish" would mean "Canaanites" and it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that the voyager leaving the Levant would likely be a Phoenician since they were sea-farers. You might wonder if some proto-Semitic alphabet might be carried on a Phoenician vessel (somehow the nerd-sailor doesn't gel). If I was making up a story of my own, I might just as well link the gods of Ugarit with the Olmec heads.
     
  15. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    You don't say......
     
  16. arauca Banned Banned

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    I believe a Jewish writer in 1700 --1800 century in the USA initially promoted the idea that the American indian were the lost 10 tribe, but with time the idea faded away
     
  17. entelecheia Registered Senior Member

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    The other way to look at it is this. In the early era of the Olmecs, the "Jewish" would mean "Canaanites" and it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that the voyager leaving the Levant would likely be a Phoenician since they were sea-farers. You might wonder if some proto-Semitic alphabet might be carried on a Phoenician vessel (somehow the nerd-sailor doesn't gel). If I was making up a story of my own, I might just as well link the gods of Ugarit with the Olmec heads
     
  18. entelecheia Registered Senior Member

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    Jews were writer-maniacs, why no papyri, no inscripted ceramics was found in mexican buldings, tombs? Mayan Hieroglyphics have any connection to any Jewish alphabet?

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    The only legendary story i know on native jews of America is The Dorado, the Lost City of Gold of the southamerican jungle.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Dorado:zzz:
     

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