More Porn=Less Rape

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  1. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    That's interesting. I had not read that part. If I had to guess, I'd bet that porno would reduce unreported rapes even more than reported rapes if they do indeed tend to be "date rapes". I remember reading that date rapes tend to be much more motivated by sexual desire and much less motivated by "power".

    That's just a guess, of course. Because, as I said, it's hard to study what's not reported.
     
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  3. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Watching porno satisfying a craving for power? Doesn't seem likely. You're an observer with no power to affect the outcome of what you're watching.
     
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  5. Reiku Banned Banned

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    True.
     
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  7. Reiku Banned Banned

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    But there are of course ''secret'' investigation made into such claims. In other words, independant sources that do ask woman across the globe in confidence.
     
  8. Bells Staff Member

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    It's from the report madant. Or are you now going to say the report you posted is somehow wrong?

    You forget that a lot of people who watch porn imagine they are the ones on the screen. As an observer they begin to imagine what it would feel like to be like that. Do you think they find it arousing because they have "no power"? Imagination plays a huge role madant.

    Rapists sometimes think their victim 'enjoyed' the experience, even though she was beating at his head, screaming "no".. "stop" and "help".
     
  9. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    But if we assume that the ratio of reported to unreported rapes is constant, or at least affected by variables besides men watching porn, then the ratio will stay the same.

    You admit that it is "in part" irrelevent. In which part is it relevent?
     
  10. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    I have to agree with every statement made in the report? Boy, that's going to limit what I can quote!
     
  11. Bells Staff Member

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    As madant stated, we cannot know how porn affects unreported cases of rape, because they are unreported and thus, cannot be verified. The report also states correctly that unreported rapes have a tendency to be because the victim knew the assailant. We simply cannot know whether pornography would reduce rapes across the board. For example, do you think a husband who beats up his wife and then rapes her because she did not have dinner on the table at a specified time would choose to go to his computer and watch some porn instead? How about the guy who is refused on a date? Do you think he would just go home and watch some porn to allay his frustration and anger?

    I meant it was "in part" irrelevant to this particular discussion, since the study is only on reported rapes. As the author of the reports states, unreported rapes go unreported for a variety of reasons and thus "more porn = less rape" cannot really be verified in such instances.

    Of course not. But you have made some assumptions based on the report you have posted. The report does not support your assumptions. Rape is not just about sex. It is also about power and the need and desire to control another with fear, violence and terror. Rape is about subjugating the victim to the attacker's whim.

    So does more porn mean less rape? In some instances, probably yes. In others no. As I said to Xev, do you think an abusive husband would choose to go to his computer for sexual gratification than to beat and rape his wife? Somehow I doubt it.

    Pornography is about imagination. And for some, they wish to carry that imagination out into the real world. For others, they are satisfied by masturbating to porn and imagining themselves in the position of one of the actors on the screen. I am sure that some do stay home and 'wank' instead of going out and foisting themselves upon a victim. In that, it probably has reduced some instances of rape.
     
  12. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    These are all valid points, but the claim that shorty37, her bootlicker and yourself made was that the study results were skewed because many rapes are not reported. If you want to say that the study doesn't have relevence to unreported rapes, that's true. But that's not the issue.

    And, yes, I think that most men who were disappointed by a date would "go home and watch some porn" rather than run about willy-nilly raping people.

    Fine, but that doesn't invalidate the study.

    Dear god, what sort of porn do you and shorty37 watch? I can't say I've seen any that resembles a sex crime.
     
  13. Bells Staff Member

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    I said could be skewed.

    Not all do. Some get so pissed they just beat the living crap out of her and then violently rape her to show her who's boss. Control and over powering the victim. I'm not saying those who watch porn go out and plunder the womenfolk. Nor am I saying that all men who watch porn beat and rape their wives. Some do. Seeing the majority who watch porn are teenage boys, most of them have probably never had sex before.

    The 13 year old son of my husband's friend was caught watching internet porn by his mother. As she said to us afterwards, it is not that she caught him in the act but that he was just too damn stupid to clear the history and cookies after he'd finished. When she and her husband went into some of the sites he had gone into, they noticed just about every single one of them involved a rape type scene. Which then left her husband in the unenviable position of having to explain to said 13 year old what he saw on the net was not what it was like in real life. Does that mean that instead of watching porn he may have been out raping and plundering the womenfolk of his neighbourhood? I doubt it. As I said before, most who watch porn do not rape. Some, however do. This study was based on the figures shown by law enforcement agencies and the correlation was taken to the amount of internet usage around the US. In that, it does raise some questions.

    No it does not. But it does beg for further study.

    Some are extremely violent. Some are not. Some are just down right cheesy and others are just bleh. Porn is about fantasy and it caters for a variety of tastes.
     
  14. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Porn begins in the mind, not on paper or video. This is the incontrovertible proof we cannot deny. Since we know this to be true, then porn of all types are in fact the creation of those most hidden desires, which from time-to-time are indeed more than some of our most darkest dreams... these dreams lead to our most darkest actions.
     
  15. Grantywanty Registered Senior Member

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    YOu have given rapists access to something that can be addictive. Like rape. Like hating women.

    Homicide tends to be about close interpersonal relationships or some other real world interaction.

    In fact people convicted of homicide have rather low rates of recidivism compared to rapists.
     
  16. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Incorrect. The choice to be what they are, is already within their grasp... what makes a thread the more the willing for such types...? Should it make a difference? Not if they are wired ino that of mode...
     
  17. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    What about all the rapists before the day and age of mass produced porn?
    I think its just a convenient scapegoat. Like people blaming music or video games.

    I think violent men look at porn, not porn makes them violent.
     
  18. Reiku Banned Banned

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    VERY TRUE!!! Well said O!!
     
  19. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    See we all can Agree that Porn raises too many questions to all kinds of bad behaviours. So Let us ALL JUST SAY NO TO PORN ........LOL

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  20. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    It may raise questions, but that's all
    I mean...it may raise other things, but that's kinda private, don't cha think.

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  21. Bells Staff Member

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    This thread is not about whether internet porn is a factor or cause in rapes. This thread asks whether more porn does equal less rape, as a study has found a correlation in the increased use of internet porn and a decrease in reported rapes.
     
  22. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Of course it doesn't. Are there fewer rapes than there were 100 yrs ago. NO! Now its no longer seen as the woman's shame so it gets reported. Women used to suffer in silence.
     
  23. Bells Staff Member

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    Well the report, on which this thread is based, does state there is a correlation in the increased access of the internet and internet porn and a decrease in the number of reported rapes.
     
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