More Porn=Less Rape

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  1. Reiku

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    Another impervious point made by shorty.
     
    Reiku, Nov 21, 2007
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  3. kmguru

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    Let us face it:
    Women do not like porn because it is from Male POV.

    Members who are in this forum are usually not rapists (may be one we do not know

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    ) and hence can not discuss from their experience.

    Women are aroused differently than men. And Women do not accept that difference.

    As a male gets older, he forgets the amplitude of horniness when he was young along with the thought process.

    So, it is politically incorrect to discuss truth about Porn the same way it is also taboo to discuss :m: and communism.
     
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  5. Bells

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    Indeed. Lets leave talk of "squirting" out of this and keep it on topic please.

    The study actually talks of unreported rapes shorty, and the author admits that the true figures can never be known or properly estimated due to the sheer number of rapes that do go unreported each year in every state.

    That is not really at issue here though. Women and men both watch porn. There is a view that pornography is solely for men, when women do enjoy it just as much. No one is disputing the differences in arousal for either men or women. I would imagine not all men find the same thing to be arousing, just as not all women are aroused by the same things as other women.

    And we are assuming that only men rape, when women can and have also been rapists. Does pornography play a role in women raping men?

    I think it is more a case of his tastes change as he gets older and experiences new things.
     
    Bells, Nov 21, 2007
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    Yes you are right bells, I just read the other link that was in that article. That is what I meant when I said that. The study is inaccurate to do the fact that not all rapes are reported.



    If that was the case, I think men would be forcing women to watch porn lol
     
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  8. madanthonywayne

    madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Shorty has anecdotal evidence from a TV show and a bunch of conjecture.
     
    madanthonywayne, Nov 21, 2007
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  9. Reiku

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    She has raised more important points, than what i can see in the threads opening words. The arguements are just, and sensical.
     
    Reiku, Nov 21, 2007
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  10. madanthonywayne

    madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Do you have some reason to expect that increased access to the internet causes women not to report rapes? Otherwise, that issue is irrelevent.
     
    madanthonywayne, Nov 21, 2007
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  11. Reiku

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    Well i don't know about the internet, but i do remember there being a consensus that possibly over half of all rapes are never reported.
     
    Reiku, Nov 21, 2007
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  12. Bells

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    Hardly irrelevant. The author himself has admitted they cannot account for the amount of rapes that do go unreported in the study. Surely a 50%+ figure of unreported rapes would skew the results somewhat, wouldn't you say?

    If you are going to discuss the effects of pornography on rape, then you also need to take into account unreported rapes. As such, making a claim that an increase of 10% in accessing internet pornography = a 7.3% decrease reported rape cases cannot yield a correct result, seeing the figure of unreported rapes being so high (in excess of 50%). So the correlation can be skewed either way if unreported rapes are taken into account.
     
    Bells, Nov 21, 2007
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  13. Fraggle Rocker

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    You all seem to be forgetting that correlation does not imply causation.
    You don't really believe that it's lesbians who buy those things in any great numbers, do you? Lesbian sex is common in porno for straight men.
     
    Fraggle Rocker, Nov 21, 2007
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  14. Xev

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    No, that's irrelevent. We can safely assume that internet access among men does not affect women's decision to report rape, so we can assume that the ratio of unreported/reported rapes will remain the same and will not affect the ratio of men accessing internet porn.

    Unless of course, shorty and Bells want to explain why women are less likely to report rape because men look at porn online?
     
    Xev, Nov 21, 2007
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    He's referring to lesbian materials like "On Our Backs" and such, which are produced for a lesbian audience.
     
    Xev, Nov 21, 2007
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  16. madanthonywayne

    madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Ok, sure. But again, that has no effect on this study. There's no reason to assume an uneven distribution of unreported rapes. And, as the article said:
    Why would it skew it? And what is the 50% unreported figure based on? It sounds like something someone made up. How can we know how much of something occurs that is not reported? Any study can only deal with information that exists. That is, reported rapes.
     
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  17. Xev

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    THANK YOU!
     
    Xev, Nov 21, 2007
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  18. MetaKron

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    Talking about the unreported rapes is simply reaching.
     
    MetaKron, Nov 21, 2007
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  19. Bells

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    That's not what I meant.

    I was saying the large numbers of unreported rapes would skew the results of more porn = less rape.. something he states in his report. After all, we do not know what kind of factor porn has on rapes that do go unreported. But since this is about reported rapes, it is in part irrelavant to this topic. However it should not be entirely discounted.

    Did you read the report in full?

    The FBI has it at approximately 58%. Do you think they made it up?

     
    Bells, Nov 21, 2007
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  20. madanthonywayne

    madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    No, thank you. People seem unwilling to accept data they don't like. So they throw out arguments about unreported rapes without offering any reason whatsoever for the ratio of unreported rapes to be different. Fraggle's criticism was valid, but nevertheless, the result of this study is clearly controversial and thought provoking.
     
    madanthonywayne, Nov 21, 2007
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  21. Bells

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    Also..

    The report is inconclusive on that point:

     
    Bells, Nov 21, 2007
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  22. Reiku

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    Not at all. I think they are weighing up the evidence correctly...
     
    Reiku, Nov 21, 2007
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  23. Bells

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    I agree, it is controversial. Although after having read through his report, there seems to be a lot of "but's" throughout it. This is something that will have to be researched further.
     
    Bells, Nov 21, 2007
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