*Xev* Quote:Indifference? Or the fact that they're not indifferent to you even though they can be? Neither. I mean any weakness or vulnerability. Outcasts, rebels and artists? Well I know many artists, outcasts and rebels but the only few I find attractive are also alpha male. Quote: Why? I guess it might be repelling to men - although the opposite seems to be the case, the more she doesn't seem to care, the more he's interested - but why does it repel you? We are not on the same page. It is visciousness and pretense I find repelling and believe more repelling in a woman. I wasn't referring to indifference which is something else entirely. I don't care if a woman is indifferent. Indifference displayed in a woman will quickly create indifference in a strong man. It can be sexy but not inviting, and still only sexy if packaged correctly (she doesn't have to be unbearably beautiful but she must have 'something'). I mean an unattractive, hard and indifferent female does not have the power to make slaves of men; have them fall to their knees because they are desexualized by the men around them. Venus In Furs was a beauty right? And Cleopatra reknowned beauty of her day? Remember Margaret Thatcher and how she was despised? Do you think she would have been reviled if packaged like Lady Diana? Of course not, then she would have become legendary. In men indifference coupled with power will always fire a woman's imagination even if he's fat and balding! Indifference will only draw men if coupled with beauty. Quote: I envy people like that. Have you ever been really close to anyone like this? Women like this should refrain from reproducing. Quote: the sensation is completely alien to me. I very rarely "feel" people. Damn woman, how do you ever experience love? Do you find it personally repulsive to 'feel' someone? Or is it just that it hasn't happened yet? *Wanderer* Quote:Hell yea!!! I’m an ass-man all the way. That’s how women manipulate me, with their asses. (smiles) You sweet thing you! Quote:How many people do you know, men mostly that is, that drive a car as if it is an extension of their being, as if it represents who and what they are or how they would like you to perceive them as? Well I see this a lot but I don't associate with any like this because they are bores, but there are other ways for men to do this. I know quite a few (I have a journalist in mind) who will use their career, influence and connections to impress. They surround themselves with impressive people and one wonders what would happen to their personality and esteem if all that were stripped away. They use it as a sheild of confidence. Quote:What do we really mean by the word intimacy, if it is not that we seek out the right person with whom we feel comfortable enough and who can completely grasp our totality of being with little fear or anxiety? Well said Wanderer. I agree wholeheartedly Quote: When we say we are intimate we don’t only mean having sex but we also want to mean being genuine and vulnerable and reverting back to that child we have locked up inside of us. That’s why we can only be completely intimate with our intellectual equals and never with inferiors. Absolutely and it's a pity that it takes so long for many to figure this out. Quote:Sounds primal. Indeed it was. Quote: But maybe this was only possible with one that couldn’t ruin the instinctual abandonment with words and inner thoughts? Well I'll put it this way, the physical feeling was so strong that 'witty conversation' didn't have a place. Quote: It seems like intellectualism destroys instinct or degrades it. Intellectualism can heighten physical sensation but only as sophistcated foreplay during sexual union if it doesn't shut down then there is something wrong; it becomes a barrier. Quote: You can’t completely engross yourself in something if you are thinking about it all the time. When it comes to sex if you are thinking anything at all you simply haven't walked through the portal of blissful experience. Quote:...you place your entire mental health in their hands and you expose your heart to their whims. Loving someone means offering them power over your inner world. And a deep truth this is! Its the access and power we give others as they enter our inner sanctum, but it is an unavoidable risk. Or rather I should say the only way to avoid this risk is by never being open at all; being the one who loves the least (indifference).